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Nicholas Steel

Posted on 19-02-11, 13:41

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Posted by jimbo1qaz
dear mozilla,
i will never want to visit "123refills.net". ever.
sincerely, a student of "school.example.com/class-123"
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they're pushing this "forced completion for popular sites" crap down my throat, and i fucking hate it.

First it was Firefox on Android, now it's Firefox Desktop.

I'm resorting to disabling browser.urlbar.autoFill, which stops autofill even for websites I actually visited in the past.

When configuring the "Default Search Engine" there is an option to Provide Search Suggestions, try turning that off. You can then re-enable it showing results from your bookmarks, history etc.

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Duck Penis

Posted on 19-02-11, 16:35

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Posted by funkyass
this has happened to me in the past, and the only way to fix it is killall Mozilla instances.

Its poor memory accounting I think. TO Be fair to Mozilla, they where calling the UI chrome long before google even had android.

stick bugzilla in any bug queries for firefox.

No, you can just press 'X' on the window and it closes down fine. But I lose my tabs, which is kind of a nuisance.
Mozilla didn't do anything wrong, it's Google that I blame for hijacking a standard term to use as a browser name.

Thanks for the tip. It does become more relevant, but I still don't know what to search for and "Chrome" still means the browser. "firefox ui crash memory bugzilla" doesn't give me anything relevant.

Oh well. I suppose I should just get more RAM. That's the 2019 way to solve things, right?

There was a certain photograph about which you had a hallucination. You believed that you had actually held it in your hands. It was a photograph something like this.

CaptainJistuce	Posted on 19-02-11, 17:29 Hi.
Custom title here Post: #235 of 1164 Since: 10-30-18 Last post: 66 days Last view: 3 days	Posted by sureanem Oh well. I suppose I should just get more RAM. That's the 2019 way to solve things, right? Every year's solution, going back to at least 1995. --- In UTF-16, where available. ---

funkyass

Posted on 19-02-11, 22:39 (revision 1)

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I meant literally using killall.

firefox chome memory crash bugzila seems to be fruitful.

but once they go full sandboxed multi-process the bug will never get fixed, since it'll become the os's problem.

Posted by sureanem

No, you can just press 'X' on the window and it closes down fine. But I lose my tabs, which is kind of a nuisance.
Mozilla didn't do anything wrong, it's Google that I blame for hijacking a standard term to use as a browser name.

Thanks for the tip. It does become more relevant, but I still don't know what to search for and "Chrome" still means the browser. "firefox ui crash memory bugzilla" doesn't give me anything relevant.

Oh well. I suppose I should just get more RAM. That's the 2019 way to solve things, right?

tomman

Posted on 19-02-11, 22:51

Dinosaur

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Posted by CaptainJistuce

Posted by sureanem

Oh well. I suppose I should just get more RAM. That's the 2019 way to solve things, right?

Every year's solution, going back to at least 1995.

Oh, the irony, just imagine: this gem coming from the mouth of one of those hipster JavaScript Generation douchebags... who shits Electron junk from a Mac.

Name how many Macs currently on sale do allow its RAM to be expanded by the user AFTER purchase date, without involving a reflow oven.

So, in this case, "buy more RAM" translates nicely into "get another $5000 computer".

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CaptainJistuce

Posted on 19-02-12, 00:30

Custom title here

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Posted by tomman

Posted by CaptainJistuce

Posted by sureanem

Oh well. I suppose I should just get more RAM. That's the 2019 way to solve things, right?

Every year's solution, going back to at least 1995.

Oh, the irony, just imagine: this gem coming from the mouth of one of those hipster JavaScript Generation douchebags... who shits Electron junk from a Mac.

Name how many Macs currently on sale do allow its RAM to be expanded by the user AFTER purchase date, without involving a reflow oven.

So, in this case, "buy more RAM" translates nicely into "get another $5000 computer".

Every year's Apple solution, going back to at least 2001.

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nyanpasu64

Posted on 19-02-12, 07:18 (revision 1)

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Posted by Nicholas Steel

When configuring the "Default Search Engine" there is an option to Provide Search Suggestions, try turning that off. You can then re-enable it showing results from your bookmarks, history etc.

I turned "Provide Search Suggestions" off years ago, before this bug began.

Aaand I just got the Firefox unresponsive glitch... *after* turning Javascript off, with nothing open but several Twitter no-JS tabs open... and 1.5 of 8GB of RAM used.

Nicholas Steel

Posted on 19-02-12, 09:18

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Posted by jimbo1qaz

Posted by Nicholas Steel

When configuring the "Default Search Engine" there is an option to Provide Search Suggestions, try turning that off. You can then re-enable it showing results from your bookmarks, history etc.

I turned "Provide Search Suggestions" off years ago, before this bug began.

Aaand I just got the Firefox unresponsive glitch... *after* turning Javascript off, with nothing open but several Twitter no-JS tabs open... and 1.5 of 8GB of RAM used.

Visit about:support (type it in to the address bar)
Look at "Application Basics" for Multiprocess Windows and also Web Content Processes, what values do they show?

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funkyass	Posted on 19-02-12, 19:22 Hi.
Post: #25 of 202 Since: 11-01-18 Last post: 663 days Last view: 19 days	Posted by Nicholas Steel Visit about:support (type it in to the address bar) Look at "Application Basics" for Multiprocess Windows and also Web Content Processes, what values do they show? walk us thru your support process here.

nyanpasu64

Posted on 19-02-12, 22:51 (revision 1)

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i'm not going to bother going through your troubleshooting steps. This was a deliberate change from Mozilla which they refuse to allow users to revert.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1171259
https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/4zba5m/firefox_android_odd_suggestions_in_address_bar/
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858829

~~Domain list at https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-release/source/mobile/android/base/resources/raw/topdomains.txt~~ they moved it to a different url, probably when "unifying" the "top domain list" between products.

tomman

Posted on 19-02-13, 00:34

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While you guys deal with Mozilla's "we know what's better for you" boneheaded decisions, they're too busy wasting their time (and maybe your donations?) working on AI junk nobody wants (but what they think it will make the world better... for software developers) with Ubisoft. YES, the very same Ubisoft as in "uplay" and "broken AAA videogames". Like, what the hell, man...

Just what we needed, machine learning magic to make "bug-free" code...

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CaptainJistuce	Posted on 19-02-13, 02:40 Hi.
Custom title here Post: #238 of 1164 Since: 10-30-18 Last post: 66 days Last view: 3 days	Can you start warning me about those slashdot links? I check the board at work, and back won't take you out of slashdot's mobile site. I just want to know what links to avoid. --- In UTF-16, where available. ---

tomman	Posted on 19-02-13, 02:53 Hi.
Dinosaur Post: #151 of 1317 Since: 10-30-18 Last post: 2 days Last view: 9 hours	Wait, Slashdot does play user-unfriendly tricks on mobile? That's... par for the course, it seems. I didn't knew since I don't browse the web from anything but Real PCs. Ah well :/ Licensed Pirate® since 2006, 100% Buttcoin™-free, enemy of All Things JavaScript™

Nicholas Steel

Posted on 19-02-13, 05:41 (revision 3)

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Posted by funkyass

Posted by Nicholas Steel

Visit about:support (type it in to the address bar)
Look at "Application Basics" for Multiprocess Windows and also Web Content Processes, what values do they show?

walk us thru your support process here.

It's in regards to Firefox becoming totally unresponsive. If the multi-process stuff is disabled by a plugin or Web Extension than a website can lock up the whole browser, where as if the multi-process stuff is enabled it should only be the poor performing tab that gets frozen and not the Firefox UI/other tabs.

There's an option to forcibly enable the multi-process stuff (which I've been using for over a year without issue) which may be necessary for Jimbo to benefit from it.

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CaptainJistuce	Posted on 19-02-13, 05:45 Hi.
Custom title here Post: #239 of 1164 Since: 10-30-18 Last post: 66 days Last view: 3 days	Posted by tomman Wait, Slashdot does play user-unfriendly tricks on mobile? That's... par for the course, it seems. I didn't knew since I don't browse the web from anything but Real PCs. Ah well :/ I'm using the most personal computer. --- In UTF-16, where available. ---

nyanpasu64

Posted on 19-02-13, 07:46 (revision 1)

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Multiprocess Windows 2/2 Enabled by default
Web Content Processes 9/8

this is bullshit.

Because one time I had like 8 firefox processes eating ram and cpu... ~~I lowered the limit to 4~~ (Firefox decided to change it back to 8 without telling me, or maybe I changed in Windows and not Linux dual boot), and Firefox decides it's a good idea to spawn 9 processes.

And I recall there was more than 1 firefox process open when it became unresponsive, sureanem-style. I just opened Twitter and it was already becoming laggy, at which point I turned off JS using uMatrix and opened Twitter's no-JS site, which then caused Firefox to freeze.

tomman	Posted on 19-02-13, 10:57 Hi.
Dinosaur Post: #152 of 1317 Since: 10-30-18 Last post: 2 days Last view: 9 hours	Posted by CaptainJistuce Posted by tomman Wait, Slashdot does play user-unfriendly tricks on mobile? That's... par for the course, it seems. I didn't knew since I don't browse the web from anything but Real PCs. Ah well :/ I'm using the most personal computer. Licensed Pirate® since 2006, 100% Buttcoin™-free, enemy of All Things JavaScript™

funkyass

Posted on 19-02-13, 19:17 (revision 1)

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Posted by jimbo1qaz

And I recall there was more than 1 firefox process open when it became unresponsive, sureanem-style. I just opened Twitter and it was already becoming laggy, at which point I turned off JS using uMatrix and opened Twitter's no-JS site, which then caused Firefox to freeze.

changing something like that probably needs a full restart of firefox - its probably something it checks on load, but only then. Thats another issue glossed over when they fully ape Chromium's process structure.

There is also the issue when you are trying to select some text, and you wind up dragging an image from many pages back...

wareya	Posted on 19-02-13, 19:27 Hi.
Post: #42 of 100 Since: 10-30-18 Last post: 1785 days Last view: 1350 days	>There is also the issue when you are trying to select some text, and you wind up dragging an image from many pages back... This is a very, very old issue, it goes back to Firefox 3 or earlier.

nyanpasu64

Posted on 19-02-14, 06:35 (revision 2)

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Posted by funkyass

Posted by jimbo1qaz

And I recall there was more than 1 firefox process open when it became unresponsive, sureanem-style. I just opened Twitter and it was already becoming laggy, at which point I turned off JS using uMatrix and opened Twitter's no-JS site, which then caused Firefox to freeze.
changing something like that probably needs a full restart of firefox - its probably something it checks on load, but only then. Thats another issue glossed over when they fully ape Chromium's process structure.

There is also the issue when you are trying to select some text, and you wind up dragging an image from many pages back...

Disabling JS via uMatrix is instant and per-site (though I disabled JS in the global scope = all pages loaded from then on). I'm not sure if it's 100% effective, it seems to work via injecting CSP to block <script>, and network-filtering external JS:

Posted by Firefox Console

Content Security Policy: The page’s settings blocked the loading of a resource at inline (“script-src”).
Loading failed for the <script> with source “https://www.google.com/xjs/_/js/k=xjs.hp.en_US.JrhqsPLSQXo.O/m=d/rt=j/d=1/rs=ACT90oFPctLSYgEs_IrQtHOsGBz96d9nCA”.

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