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| How much money is reasonable for a good GPU? | |
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| $200-$400 | |
| $400-$650 | |
| $650-$1000 | |
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| Screw dat, I'm doing consoles bro! | |
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| wertigon |
Posted on 22-01-14, 16:06
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Post: #173 of 205
Since: 11-24-18 Last post: 155 days Last view: 27 days |
So, was looking at GPU prices again now, just to see what is out there. I have determined I need somewhere between a 6600 XT ($649), 3060 Ti ($899) or 6700 XT ($899). The 6700 XT is slightly more powerful than the 3060 Ti and at the same price, I think this is the better card even though it does lack a decent DLSS feature, especially for Linux (and not keen on Nvidia given that recent reveals show that they actively sabotaged Linux graphics development for years). As for the 3060 ($800)... Not gonna pay that much extra for a card that cannot even match the 6600 XT in performance, even IF Nvidia wasn't scumbags. Sorry. :P Then I realised, for $900 I could instead buy a Raptor Lake system or a brand spanking new Zen 4 system coming out at the end of this year, with the Ryzen 7700G. Or a freaking 8 TB SSD drive. Both feel like significantly better investments than a GPU at the same price point. So, I guess I'll stick it out until end of this year and see if anything that isn't a joke (like the 6500 XT) or comes from a real scumbag company (Nvidia) comes with a decent price tag. MSRP is dead in either case, otherwise the $379 6600 XT would've been OK. It sucks because both the old stock and the new stock is sucked dry, else I'd probably pick up a 5-year old RX 580 or something. Maybe I'm just being a cranky old man and I should just retire and tell people to get off my lawn though... :) |
| KoiMaxx |
Posted on 22-01-14, 23:38
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It's not there, but I'm more of the 'Screw dat, I'm playing retro bro!' camp myself. :D I think GPU prices won't be going down at least in the near future, so you might be better off putting your money into something you will benefit immediately from. Or you can always hold out for the next big thing that comes out of their fabs. I still have no idea what I'm talking about. |
| creaothceann |
Posted on 22-01-15, 16:08
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Posted by wertigon Unfortunately capitalism doesn't care about "reasonable" or MSRP, it cares about supply and demand. If you just need something to connect your monitors to, get a mainboard with integrated graphics or a ASUS GT710 / GT730. Anything for gaming will come with a "luxury" tax. Over here, RTX 2060 starts at 538€ (460€ on ebay), RTX 3060 at 695€ (630€ on ebay). And those are the "cheap" ones that might have loud fans etc. Speaking of DLSS, the new NVIDIA driver has a new DLS option ("DLDSR") that can be used with DLSS. Posted by wertigon Anything more recent than what we already knew? And it's not like AMD wouldn't shy away from using their position either if they were on top. My current setup: Super Famicom ("2/1/3" SNS-CPU-1CHIP-02) → SCART → OSSC → StarTech USB3HDCAP → AmaRecTV 3.10 |
| wertigon |
Posted on 22-01-15, 20:24 (revision 1)
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Post: #174 of 205
Since: 11-24-18 Last post: 155 days Last view: 27 days |
Posted by creaothceann When I can buy the 7700G which performs at GTX0 1050 Ti levels of performance, sure, the demand will greatly decrease. Since AMD has said most if not all AM5 CPUs will have APUs in them, well... $700 for a great workstation with decent 1080p graphics or $700 for a graphics card that produces flawless 4k imagery? Your choice. :) Posted by creaothceann Not if you have been paying attention on what is going on. Pretty much, locked down firmware, the whole EGLStreams fiasco holding back Wayland for years, refusal to properly integrate with Mesa despite Mesa being the superior solution for years now. Not really a fan of their lack of MSRP numbers for their three latest GPUs, too. Would AMD have done the same if roles were reversed? Possibly. Would I buy from AMD if they had? Probably not. Whataboutism doesn't really validate any breaks of trust. |
| CaptainJistuce |
Posted on 22-01-15, 23:07
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Posted by wertigonIn fairness, MSRP is meaningless right now anyways. Nothing is selling for suggested retail. --- In UTF-16, where available. --- |
| wertigon |
Posted on 22-01-16, 15:33
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Post: #175 of 205
Since: 11-24-18 Last post: 155 days Last view: 27 days |
Posted by CaptainJistuce In terms of what it sells in the store, yes. MSRP is meaningless. In terms of, what does it cost the manufacturer to produce this though? No, it is actually a very relevant metric that tells us that Nvidia is most probably looking to increase margins further. Both AMD and Nvidia want to have higher margins, but not disclosing MSRP makes it that much harder to keep tabs on Nvidia. Example: Assume Nvidia releases a card that performs at x FPS and cost $300. Then we know this. We are expecting Nvidia can sell a card profitably with x FPS at $300. Next year Nvidia releases a card that performs at x*1.1 FPS and cost $350. Again, we can keep tabs here and compare the new value to the old value. Year after, Nvidia release a card that performs at x*1.15 FPS and cost... We do not know how much these cost. Could be $500 or could be $50. Is it a good value now? Is Nvidia producing cards at a loss, or not? So, this is dishonest both for prospective customers, and their shareholders. What would be reasonable to expect here? An MSRP between $300 and $350. Is it though? Is it an attempt to hide a bad value proposition card, or not? Or are they just being greedy fuckers for the sake of being greedy (at which point they expose a huge opening for competitors, and wish to obfuscate this fact)? Should it even be that the 3080 12GB version sell for less than the 8GB version, since prices on DRAM have come down significantly these past few months? MSRP is valuable still, even though it is not valuable as a measure of store prices during shortages. |
| tomman |
Posted on 22-01-16, 17:11
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 Post: #1037 of 1315 Since: 10-30-18 Last post: 58 days Last view: 13 hours |
"Zero" will be a appropriate price for GPUs the day (Xinnie|Kim) nukes (Taiwan|Korea) and there is no cutting edge chips for anyone. Oh, and don't forget craptominers. Better value your classic videogames and forget of GPU-intensive workloads until something changes in the overall picture, as many of the challenges are not only logistic, but political. Licensed Pirate® since 2006, 100% Buttcoin™-free, enemy of All Things JavaScript™ |
| CaptainJistuce |
Posted on 22-01-16, 23:03
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Post: #1046 of 1164 Since: 10-30-18 Last post: 63 days Last view: 4 hours |
Posted by wertigonMSRP does not indicate cost of manufacture. It is literally a suggested retail price. Anyways, with nVidia and AMD both having been savaged for cranking MSRP up in the last couple of releases, we already KNOW they're both trying to boost profits wildly and normalize current going rates. We don't actually need an MSRP on this card to tell us what a decade of pricing data shows. --- In UTF-16, where available. --- |
| creaothceann |
Posted on 22-01-19, 21:12
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Post: #381 of 456 Since: 10-29-18 Last post: 44 days Last view: 1 day |
- NVIDIA price comparisons, yay - A new AMD GPU that sucks, yay (But at least you get new hardware and a warranty?) Posted by wertigon What does having that info about the MSRP improve our situation? Do you want to refrain from buying a card to "punish" a company because they make too much money? As a consumer you can either buy it, buy from a competitor (look at reviews to see if it's a "bad value proposition card") and possibly pay more and/or live with less capable hardware, not buy at all, or DIY. (As a prosumer you may have no choice at all.) But the "trust/honesty" thing is misplaced imo, because it tells a feel-good story that implies that other manufacturers are inherently morally better (they probably aren't), and that you have power over them in the current economic situation. My current setup: Super Famicom ("2/1/3" SNS-CPU-1CHIP-02) → SCART → OSSC → StarTech USB3HDCAP → AmaRecTV 3.10 |
| CaptainJistuce |
Posted on 22-01-19, 22:45 (revision 2)
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Post: #1048 of 1164 Since: 10-30-18 Last post: 63 days Last view: 4 hours |
I just saw the Gamers Nexus review of the 6500XT. Makin' me feel better about my 8GB 580, I tell you what. --- In UTF-16, where available. --- |
| wertigon |
Posted on 22-01-20, 11:29 (revision 1)
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Post: #177 of 205
Since: 11-24-18 Last post: 155 days Last view: 27 days |
Posted by creaothceann Here are Moores Law Is Dead and Hardware Unboxed takes on the MSRP thing; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSi6wf4V_CA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS7lx5us1fg But you know what, if consumers are happy to not make a big deal of this then these companies are happy to get away with scumbaggery, the way the world always works. You get what you pay for. :) Posted by CaptainJistuce Yeah, the 6500 XT is aimed at pretty much only the Core i5 11400 / 12400 and the Ryzen 3/5 3300X/3600 owners. Everyone else can just forget about it, unless they happened to pair an X570 motherboard with a 5700G or something. At which point, a 6600 XT makes more sense regardless. So the 6500 XT is what it is, mostly due to energy prices and shipping costs soaring astronomically high. But atleast it won't cost more than MSRP, since noone will buy it. |
| CaptainJistuce |
Posted on 22-01-20, 20:23 (revision 1)
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Post: #1049 of 1164 Since: 10-30-18 Last post: 63 days Last view: 4 hours |
Posted by wertigonThey're already being scalped for four hundred. --- In UTF-16, where available. --- |
| wertigon |
Posted on 22-01-20, 22:15 (revision 2)
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Post: #178 of 205
Since: 11-24-18 Last post: 155 days Last view: 27 days |
Posted by CaptainJistuce Ah, yes. They will be scalped a couple of weeks until people realise what a crapshoot of GPU the 6500 XT really is, at which point the scalpers are pointed at, laughed at and driven to suicide by GPU poisoning. Because if this crappiest crap of crapshoot CRAP GPU actually commands a street price of $400+ for long, then I have lost all hope of the market ever returning back to normal. Then Nvidia can release a GPU-shaped turd, slap the 4090 Ti label on there for $1200, rake in the profits and laugh all the way to the bank. :) Did I mention the 6500 XT is crap? |
| tomman |
Posted on 22-01-21, 00:26
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Dinosaur
Post: #1040 of 1315 Since: 10-30-18 Last post: 58 days Last view: 13 hours |
I'm starting to believe that "GPU computing" was a mistake. ...and the worst victims are gamers, it seems. Licensed Pirate® since 2006, 100% Buttcoin™-free, enemy of All Things JavaScript™ |
| wertigon |
Posted on 22-01-25, 11:55
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Post: #179 of 205
Since: 11-24-18 Last post: 155 days Last view: 27 days |
Looks like 6500 XT is only at 50% markup as brand new now, stock holds pretty well, and while the MSRP sells out quickly, the $250 ones doesn't. Awesome! Finally a price bottom tier has been established that can suck down all the other cards in price. Of course, inflation being what it is, not perfect, but this summer things should only be at 25-30% MSRP for most tiers. Sweet! Can I have my $600 6700 XT soon-ish then? :D |
| CaptainJistuce |
Posted on 22-01-25, 12:13
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Post: #1050 of 1164 Since: 10-30-18 Last post: 63 days Last view: 4 hours |
Posted by wertigonI sure hope you're right. --- In UTF-16, where available. --- |
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