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Posted on 19-11-19, 03:43
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There's an attempt to archive as much as possible from Intel here: https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=69184

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Posted on 19-11-19, 03:44 (revision 1)
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Huh, I ninja'd myself.

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Posted on 19-11-19, 08:53 (revision 1)
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Now is the perfect time to download and archive their BIOS files for all their boards and maybe host them on VOGONS drivers website.

You damn idiots! We already have a solution for this, and it's called archive.org. Seriously, put it in an archive people can use, not on your obscure forum.

That is, go through all the links, and GET web.archive.org/save/XXX, et voila, preservation work done in time for tea.

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Posted on 19-11-19, 09:07 (revision 1)
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Posted by sureanem
Now is the perfect time to download and archive their BIOS files for all their boards and maybe host them on VOGONS drivers website.

You damn idiots! We already have a solution for this, and it's called archive.org. Seriously, put it in an archive people can use, not on your obscure forum.

That is, go through all the links, and GET web.archive.org/save/XXX, et voila, preservation work done in time for tea.
Because a single point of failure is SO fucking useful.

Don't be a complete fucking moron. More than one copy is a GOOD thing. Mirror that shit as many places as possible, and DEFINITELY in places where the people interested in it will be able to find it easily, like an enthusiast community dedicated to old IBM-compatibles.

http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/ is where it is going to wind up, I guarantee it. Look at this and tell me it isn't more useful than the fucking wayback machine.

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Posted on 19-11-19, 12:12 (revision 1)
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The site doesn't load for me. Although if it is as you say, perhaps it might be somewhat useful. I still maintain that just downloading the drivers and keeping them on your hard drive is not a very worthwhile endeavor, and that scraping them from archive.org later on is a better use of your time.

EDIT: just a tad slow

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Posted on 19-11-20, 06:40
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Interesting to see vogonsdrivers has most of the Windows 9x Nvidia drivers. Under Windows 9x most games would require very specific video drivers in order to work correctly otherwise you'd run in to graphical bugs. Thankfully this phenomena significantly diminished with Windows XP.

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Posted on 19-11-20, 08:24
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Posted by Nicholas Steel
Interesting to see vogonsdrivers has most of the Windows 9x Nvidia drivers. Under Windows 9x most games would require very specific video drivers in order to work correctly otherwise you'd run in to graphical bugs. Thankfully this phenomena significantly diminished with Windows XP.
Video drivers have gotten a lot better in the twenty-first century.
...
Drivers in general are better these days, actually. Which is damning with faint praise, admittedly.

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Posted on 19-11-20, 12:06
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Posted by CaptainJistuce
Video drivers have gotten a lot better in the twenty-first century.
*chuckles in black OpenGL*
Posted on 19-11-20, 18:11

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Posted by Kawa
Posted by CaptainJistuce
Video drivers have gotten a lot better in the twenty-first century.
*chuckles in black OpenGL*

I dunno. I'm very impressed with AMD's open source drivers. Apparently their Windows OpenGL drivers aren't so good, so that may be your point, but that could eventually be fixed by using the OSS ones there, too.

NVIDIA has stuck to it's archaic driver with lots of "technical debt" in it, and they've neglected open source and can't do Wayland because of it, so I'm not impressed with them. The driver works OK for games, though, and they've added options to get rid of their terrible input lag. So that's a plus.

Vulkan is looking like it could fulfill its objective and actually unify everything, even if just as an underlying base.
Posted on 19-11-20, 18:24 (revision 1)
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Does the ATiAMD blob still sucks?

FOSS is the way to go if your hardware is supported, and fortunately AMD is doing that mostly right nowadays.

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Posted by sureanem
Now is the perfect time to download and archive their BIOS files for all their boards and maybe host them on VOGONS drivers website.

You damn idiots! We already have a solution for this, and it's called archive.org. Seriously, put it in an archive people can use, not on your obscure forum.

That is, go through all the links, and GET web.archive.org/save/XXX, et voila, preservation work done in time for tea.
Because a single point of failure is SO fucking useful.

Don't be a complete fucking moron. More than one copy is a GOOD thing. Mirror that shit as many places as possible, and DEFINITELY in places where the people interested in it will be able to find it easily, like an enthusiast community dedicated to old IBM-compatibles.

http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/ is where it is going to wind up, I guarantee it. Look at this and tell me it isn't more useful than the fucking wayback machine.


Someone said at that VOGONS thread:
Don't rely on archive.org either, they accept DMCAs and will remove stuff on request.

...so while Archive is the way to go, you don't put all your eggs on a single basket.

Looks like Intel is purging motherboard/IGP stuff up to early Sandy Bridge, which is an even bigger "fuck you" than when they refused to provide Win10 drivers for HD2000/3000 IGPs. Just 3 years ago I had to update the BIOS on a somewhat old DG45ID desktop board (a rather solid board that could withstand some abuse) so I could actually get to properly ID monitors over DDC (and be able to reach the native 1440x900 resolution on a Compaq display without resorting to modelines trickery on Debian)
And yes, they're killing that download too.

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Posted on 19-11-20, 18:33

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Posted by tomman
Does the ATiAMD blob still sucks?

Yes, the OpenGL part does, but there's no reason to use it unless you're a corporation and want "support."

The Vulkan part of the blob is basically just the open-source AMDVLK, and its binary is literally just a library and spec file that you can drop anywhere, which makes it easy to try if RADV isn't working.
Posted on 19-11-20, 21:01
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Posted by tomman
Someone said at that VOGONS thread:
Don't rely on archive.org either, they accept DMCAs and will remove stuff on request.

...so while Archive is the way to go, you don't put all your eggs on a single basket.

That is an outright lie. Archive.org accepts DMCAs, but are generally very reluctant to remove things. There's large amounts of blatant copyright infringement they don't give a single fuck about, and then most of the DMCA'd stuff just gets hidden behind a login wall. In extreme cases (e.g. a complete archive of Library Genesis, kept for "research purposes"), you have to send them a nicely worded email.

For drivers, I'm going to bet good money Archive is the safest place on the Internet to put them.

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Posted on 19-11-20, 21:18
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you don't know how the DMCA works. There is no "relucant" in dealing with a DMCA take-down notice. the internet archive is based in the US, there isn't an option to ignore DMCA notices. You have to remove the content to file a counter-notice which may very well be the first step to a lawsuit.

Why do you keep on saying stuff without researching?
Posted on 19-11-21, 01:36
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My recollection (though I can't find any sources right now) is that when somebody sends archive.org a takedown, they set a "hidden" flag in the database so they don't actually delete anything, they just don't distribute it until the copyright expires.

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Posted on 19-11-22, 11:08
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For OpenGL, these days, MESA seems to be moving to OpenGL-Over-Vulkan anyway. So in the future the only necessary API to implement will be Vulkan - and that is much easier to implement than OpenGL. A win-win deal if you ask me! :)

Not to mention AMD will power the next gen stationary consoles (since Nintendo has basically left the dedicated stationary consoles behind), with 4k/8k/16k gaming and all that nice stuff. And yes, 160 Hz @ 16k is pretty much as good a resolution as you will ever get, anything beyond that is pointless for a TV- or computer monitor. You'd have to project the image on a surface 9 by 16 meters and sit like, 1 meter from that screen to even notice the pixels.
Posted on 19-11-22, 16:49

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Posted by wertigon
160 Hz [...] is pretty much as good [...] as you will ever get, anything beyond that is pointless for a TV- or computer monitor

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Posted on 19-11-23, 12:55 (revision 8)
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Posted by creaothceann
Posted by wertigon
160 Hz [...] is pretty much as good [...] as you will ever get, anything beyond that is pointless for a TV- or computer monitor

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For a few years now TV's have been running at 240Hz refresh rate iirc (internal motion interpolation) and yes, there are 240Hz TN LCD displays for computers (this year saw refresh of the technology with better response times), a laptop with a 300Hz TN display and 240Hz IPS displays will be available either by the end of this year or delayed to next year (with 2 companies manufacturing the panels this time around).

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Posted on 19-11-23, 20:34

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There be diminishing returns. My old diamondtron could go up to 140hz, but past 85-100 it didn’t look any smoother to me. 120hz being the LCM of 24, 30, 60 makes a good stopping point.
Posted on 20-05-14, 16:13 (revision 1)
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In this episode of the neverending War On 32-bit: a Xorg wants to kill AGP on Linux (at least for ATi and nVidia):
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AGP-Radeon-Nouveau-Drop-RFC
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2020-May/265527.html

Or not, but his reasoning is "it has always been broken" (well, if you consider that AGP is as shoehorned over PCI like VLB was to ISA, it's true), "drivers have always resorted to quirks to prevent crashes" (but then, Linux never had solid, high-performance AGP drivers unlike other platforms), and "nobody we know have been using those GPUs in over 10 years" (completely neglecting the fact that there are computer users in third-world hellholes for which neither "cheap RPis" nor "$50 Dells you can get by dumpster diving" are realistic options at their reach, plus AMD kept making AGP GPUs for their integrators until 2011 or so - have you forgot the HD46x0?), so it's time to get rid of their very hackishy support for AGP in the Linux kernel, which would (supposedly) clean up some stuff.

If you actually read the proposals, they're not even going to kill your AGP GPUs, only disable/ignore the bits that are AGP-specific, and your card would still work as a good ol' PCI device (as it have to do anyway, considering that it's mandatory by the standard). You would retain the dedicated port access and higher speeds, but gone would be things like GART. Outside x86, AGP has been even more patchy: due to piss-poor hardware implementation on PPC, AGP bits were disabled there two years ago.

If this comes to fruition on x86 and those patches get merged into upstream, expect a performance hit on your retrobox, depending on how ancient is your GPU. R500 and later ATi GPUs on AMD are actually PCIe silicon behind a bridge chip (Rialto), and those have been cheating all those years, ignoring some AGP-specific bits, so I expect that the impact for those should be low or none. For older ATi GPUs or anything by nVidia, expect pain. If you were using anything else (*cough*VIA*cough*Intel*cough*), you should already be used to severe pain anyway (and those patches would not affect you anyway)

If only those GPUs (and the underlying AGP subsystem) ever had proper drivers since back then... but I guess it's much easier to justify software bloat ("retroboxes should be running retrosoftware"... good luck installing Debian Sarge or Fedora Core 3 over the net nowadays) or terrible drivers (butbutbut muh limited resources! Also, OEMs hate people and anything not made by Microsoft)

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