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Posted on 18-11-27, 13:05
Not from my cellphone

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Yes, Windows 10 is an unmitigated disaster, a raging dumpster fire, an abomination that will eat your files and rape your cats. And yet... people keep using it because I DON'T KNOW!?

Remember the terrible 1809 update? Yes, the one that actually ate your files. The one that MS had to remove from circulation because "deleting user files" is NOT a feature that should have ever left alpha testing. Well, after patching that nasty bug, Microsoft keeps justifying why they should have never ever sacked their QA people:

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/11/26/2147225/latest-windows-10-update-breaks-windows-media-player-win32-apps-in-general

Apparently the last patch (1809v2?) breaks another bunch of applications... including WMP, file associations, and -surprisingly- iCloud. The latter is important, because MS is now blocking those users with iCloud from receiving the buggy update that would disable their software. This is... interesting.


Last time I booted my W10 Insider VM, I let it downloading its yearly share of poison. Spent nearly 3 days murdering my CPU and HDD. Rebooted a couple times... and failed to do absolutely anything, aside of installing a couple minor patchers. As for my bare metal setup: I ended reclaiming that spare HDD for much more worthy purposes (downloading anime), and moved it to a even smaller drive. Why I haven't wiped that turd yet?!

Once again, why people sticks to Win10!? Aside of hardware compatibility (an artificial restriction), "videogames", and the "new car smell" effect... At this point, Microsoft should split itself in two companies: the Azure-powered, FOSS-embracing, new-and-totally-not-evil Nadella-led Microsoft (the Microsoft I actually like seeing), and the consumer software and devices ol-MS-of-yesteryesterday which we can simply ignore while the Joe Facebooks of the world move away from Real Computers.

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Posted on 18-11-27, 13:23
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Posted by tomman
At this point, Microsoft should split itself in two companies: the Azure-powered, FOSS-embracing, new-and-totally-not-evil Nadella-led Microsoft (the Microsoft I actually like seeing), and the consumer software and devices ol-MS-of-yesteryesterday which we can simply ignore while the Joe Facebooks of the world move away from Real Computers.
I can see myself agreeing with this entirely. Just one question: which one'll be MICROS~1?
Posted on 18-11-27, 16:12 (revision 5)
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file association has been (partially) buggered since at least the Creator Update for Windows 10. If you associate picture files (JPG, JPEG, PNG, BMP, GIF etc.) with a Win32 program (MSPAINT, Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer etc.) you won't be able to open 16 or more pictures simultaneously, instead what happens is it'll set one as the current desktop wallpaper and create a slideshow thing for the desktop wallpaper consisting of all the images you tried to open (no warning or prompt for consent). The right-click context menu when you select a lot of images will also be missing the "Open" and "Open With" options.

None of the above happens if the picture files are associated with an "App", with them associated with an App you can open 100's of images simultaneously in the App instead of them being automatically without consent set as a wallpaper slideshow.

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Posted on 18-11-27, 17:22

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Posted by Nicholas Steel
The right-click context menu when you select a lot of images will also be missing the "Open" and "Open Which" options.

Images of more than one type? It's been like that since Vista.

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Posted on 18-11-27, 17:28
One of a kind!

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Yup. The desktop wallpaper thing is certainly something else though.
Posted on 18-11-27, 17:55 (revision 5)
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Posted by creaothceann
Posted by Nicholas Steel
The right-click context menu when you select a lot of images will also be missing the "Open" and "Open Which" options.

Images of more than one type? It's been like that since Vista.

No, if I associate PNG and JPG to mozilla Firefox, select one image of both types and right-click them... I'll get an Open option as well as the Open With option, choosing either option or pressing Enter will also open both images in to Firefox. The problem I'm talking about only transpires when more than 15 files are selected (they can all have the JPG extension or a variety of extensions) and the file types are associated with a Win32 program.

That Vista issue I've never, ever observed.

I did just now observe that selecting and right-clicking multiple image types that are associated to different programs from each other will change the Open option to an "Edit with Paint 3D" option and remove Open With.

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Posted on 18-11-28, 01:28 (revision 1)
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I wonder if any 64-bit app would workt he same way
Posted on 18-11-28, 03:54

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Have been trying to decide if I want to move away from Windows for a while, and though I'll still probably have a Win7 desktop for game things, for traveling computers and more business-oriented work it's looking more and more like Windows isn't the solution, but the problem.
Posted on 18-11-28, 05:01

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I run Windows 10 Pro Insider builds myself, so we get patches a lot faster than mainstream. We never actually caught the 1809 bug which is odd because we ran the 1809 build about a month before mainstream did, and there was no bug then. In fact many of the issues like iCloud, WMP, and other seem to never pop up during the Insider Rings, especially Fast Ring, which I'm on and get updates every other week or so.

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Posted on 18-11-28, 05:50
Custom title here

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Posted by Kawa
Posted by tomman
At this point, Microsoft should split itself in two companies: the Azure-powered, FOSS-embracing, new-and-totally-not-evil Nadella-led Microsoft (the Microsoft I actually like seeing), and the consumer software and devices ol-MS-of-yesteryesterday which we can simply ignore while the Joe Facebooks of the world move away from Real Computers.
I can see myself agreeing with this entirely. Just one question: which one'll be MICROS~1?
Whichever one creates the directory first.

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Posted on 18-11-28, 05:56 (revision 2)
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Posted by funkyass
I wonder if any 64-bit app would workt he same way
Firefox is exclusively 64bit now, MSPaint is still 32bit iirc. I was just using the term Win32 to differentiate sensible programs from Apps (what term would you use instead?).

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Posted on 18-11-28, 05:57
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Posted by Nicholas Steel
Posted by funkyass
I wonder if any 64-bit app would workt he same way
Firefox is exclusively 64bit now, MSPaint is still 32bit iirc. I was just using the term Win32 to differentiate Apps from sensible programs (what term would you use instead?).

To differentiate applications from applications?

I'm guessing you mean Windows Store applications versus applications installed any other way.

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Posted on 18-11-28, 08:22
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There's the "Apps" which are installed via the Microsoft Store (Microsoft coined the term "App" for them) and then there are Applications which is everything not installed via the Microsoft Store, I dunno what term I'd use to differentiate between them.

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Posted on 18-11-28, 09:09
Why couldn't you put the bunny back in the box?

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I like Win32 as a name. Apps vs programs, maybe?
Posted on 18-11-28, 11:22
Not from my cellphone

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"app"

You mean UWP cellphone junk?

An "app" is still a program, albeit a very crippled one. And IIRC you can still sideload UWP "apps" without the need of the Windows Store (dunno how hard it is, and I'm absolutely not interested, but the option is there for internal/developer/testing/enterprise deployments)

Also, Mozilla still offers 32-bit Firefox downloads for both Windows and Linux. Dunno about the Mac version (is it an Universal binary?)

I will stick to my Win32 programs, because I'm a dinosaur unfrozen caveman. W7 still has a year to go of security updates, after that we'll see--- oh wait, who am I kidding? I'll treat it the same way I do with my XP setups: upgrade web browsers, stick to compatible AV solutions (or no AV at all), and do all my critical stuff -banking, email- on Linux)

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Posted on 18-11-28, 17:20
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Posted by tomman
Once again, why people sticks to Win10!? Aside of hardware compatibility (an artificial restriction), "videogames", and the "new car smell" effect...


Hardware compatibility - Linux has better HW compat, period. Not even a contest. Only exception is new hardware with Windows-only drivers, which, well, isn't happening often these days.
Video games (aka AAA-games) - Steam Linux got a lot of those nowadays, and they're just growing bigger and bigger.
"new car smell" - Win10 isn't even new anymore, did I hear "fresh coat of moldy paint"?

I think the biggest two problems left are:

1. Office. It is the only big software left holding the majority back. While Photoshop is still a thing, it's getting less and less interesting for people to use it - especially since the latest versions are pretty much impossible to pirate. People are starting to getting used to alternatives now. And no, Macs will never ever be able to replace Windows.

2. Plain old inertia. It's what people are used to, and they will have to pry it away from their cold dead fingers, even if it's poisoning them with radiation. Especially then. They need their radiation dose, it makes them feel all safe and snug...

Also this is the primary reason why iPeeps (aka Apple users, iSheeps are a subset of these) are buying expensive (cr)Apple products these days.
Posted on 18-11-28, 18:08

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Posted by wertigon
1. Office. It is the only big software left holding the majority back. While Photoshop is still a thing, it's getting less and less interesting for people to use it - especially since the latest versions are pretty much impossible to pirate. People are starting to getting used to alternatives now. And no, Macs will never ever be able to replace Windows.

2. Plain old inertia. It's what people are used to, and they will have to pry it away from their cold dead fingers, even if it's poisoning them with radiation. Especially then. They need their radiation dose, it makes them feel all safe and snug...

You've captured my two biggest reasons for sticking with Windows, right there. I'm pretty deeply invested in an Adobe workflow for... well, for all kinds of things. I'm on the publicity committee of my local community theatre, and I rely heavily on InDesign, Photoshop, and Illustrator for designing and laying out assets, logos, posters, and programs for our various shows. I'm a hobbyist photographer, and I rely on Lightroom and Photoshop for processing my raw images and making them look just the way I like. I'm a semi-freelance video editor, and my workflow is based in Premiere, Audition, After Effects, and Photoshop. (I'm the mythical guy who actually uses the whole suite instead of paying for it and only using one or two apps.)

I'm well aware that there are alternatives to all of these things. I could absolutely save a subscription and move to Linux by switching over to GIMP, Scribus, Audacity, Inkscape, Da Vinci Resolve, and... uh, whatever is a good Lightroom alternative. But I've used these applications. Even after passing the learning curve of switching to a new app, there are too many UI headaches, poorly-labeled features, missing features, features that are technically there but don't work as well, etc.

I recently did a major video project in Resolve, because the guy I was collaborating with didn't have Premiere and didn't want to pay for it. No big deal, I thought. But over and over again, I kept running into substantial limitations that Premiere just doesn't have.* And this is pretty typical of my experiences with cross-platform alternatives to Mac and Windows software. (I've heard Lightworks is pretty good, though? I'll have to play around with it, because I'm always on the lookout for good free video editing software that I can use to collaborate with folks who don't wanna pay for Adobe).

Now, I get that I'm probably not a typical user. But gosh darn, ditching Windows for a better OS would be really hard for me (macOS would be a fairly easy change, but lolno). Both the reasons you mentioned apply to me in spades, so it's really easy for me to see how other people might have similar, albeit not identical, reasoning themselves.

*Resolve limitations. There are a lot of them:


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Posted on 18-11-28, 22:59
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The average user doesn't *use* windows, mac, or linux, they use chrome, or firefox, or IE. for the average user the browser might as well be the OS. even MS office has a light version you can use for free in the browser. you could use it on a POWER arch PC running freebsd and you could still use MS office on the web as long as you had a compatible browser.

@Covarr, do you ever work with raw photography files? if so CaptureOne is superior to lightroom IMO, but only available on windows and mac last I checked.
Posted on 18-11-29, 00:04

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Posted by panzeroceania
@Covarr, do you ever work with raw photography files? if so CaptureOne is superior to lightroom IMO, but only available on windows and mac last I checked.

I do, and I've heard good things about CaptureOne, but I am not serious enough about photography to spend more money on it right now when Lightroom is already quite good and included in a subscription that I'd be paying for anyway for other products. Maybe as I get more invested in photography, if I find myself butting up against limitations in Lightroom (which I haven't as of yet) then I'll check it out.

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Posted on 18-11-29, 05:20

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Posted by wertigon
Posted by tomman
Once again, why people sticks to Win10!? Aside of hardware compatibility (an artificial restriction), "videogames", and the "new car smell" effect...


Hardware compatibility - Linux has better HW compat, period. Not even a contest. Only exception is new hardware with Windows-only drivers, which, well, isn't happening often these days.

Video games (aka AAA-games) - Steam Linux got a lot of those nowadays, and they're just growing bigger and bigger.
"new car smell" - Win10 isn't even new anymore, did I hear "fresh coat of moldy paint"?


I have to respectfully disagree with Hardware Compatibility. I've used GNU/Linux for many years (at least 20) on and off, and usually hardware compatibility is good but only "IF" you stick to certain hardware, and don't use bleeding edge, otherwise you're in for a load of problems. As far as new hardware goes, Windows is the hardware compatibility king. Driver usually are developed for Windows FIRST rather than GNU/Linux or even BSD, unless the OEM actually provides drivers or contribute code and firmware to the kernel like Broadcom, Nvidia, AMD, etc. If memory serves, Nvidia is one of the very few that provides drivers for a spectrum of operating systems beyond Windows and even GNU/Linux.

As far as games go, yes Steam has brought many games to GNU/Linux and FreeBSD as has Wine, but it's not perfect, and far from perfect at all. Many online MMOs still utilize Ring 0 anti-cheating software that does not work, nor will ever work on Wine. Unless more games actually get GNU/Linux ports and get Linux friendly anti-cheat software, it won't be really getting "better". The only reason many titles are finally getting ported effectively is because of Mesa's Nine support API through Gallium3D as a translation medium and Wine being able to effectively translate Direct3D to Mesa3D and sadly that is limited to DirectX 9.0c with VERY limited support for DirectX 10 or higher revisions.

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