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Posted on 19-05-09, 10:54
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So, what are your thoughts about the plans of Bully-in-Chief (currently at the helm of World's Most Rogue State) to have a Short Victorious War with Iran to boost his approval ratings before the convention and elections ?
Posted on 19-05-09, 13:56
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Won't happen. His advisors (e.g. Bolton and friends) are pushing for it, but he'd have done it by now if he wanted to. He might at least give the West a (just) trade war against the Chinese, but probably, as always, nothing will happen.

If he actually wants to do interventionism, I reckon he'd do Venezuela first as a low-commitment test run (e.g. Grenada) to drum up support for foreign intervention after the previous debacles, and then Iran because he thinks they'll go easy on him, which might be true.

But I wouldn't think anything happens. It would probably be a good thing if it did, though. Although US/China+vassals is a far better split than US+Israel+Saudi/Iran+Russia+vassals.

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Posted by mnk
Mr. Anyoning orange vs Iran, because delet kebab, iran serving up as hubs for terrorist groups or something, and WHY NOT


he could just delet madara from the oilfields and everyone would be happy, except maybe Russian James bond and The eternal Chinese emperor.

Now being serious, no, i think everything will be "the same" and when times comes for the elections he will push the "mexico is bad, china is bad, not being nazi is bad" and patriotic Americans will follow him.

No, really, what the fuck with you guys over there in the first world?

you guys are either overzealous with your shitty patriotism and thinking that no whites are either criminals looking a way into your countries, or just bad people you have to keep watch on, or think that being 3000%gay and bumping feminism everywhere is fine and showing dancing guy in thongs to children and old ladies making out in the open (instead of that in their homes, or secluded/private places on parks ;D) doesn't going to blow back on your face in a few generations.

we doesnt need laws against mansplaning, or gender neutral rules on schools, we need to talk about what to do with automation and jobs, and prepare ourselves to that future where we going to need to work by ourselves since we wont find anything else.

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Posted on 19-05-10, 17:12
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Posted by Vladiskovwashere
you guys are either overzealous with your shitty patriotism and thinking that no whites are either criminals looking a way into your countries, or just bad people you have to keep watch on, or think that being 3000%gay and bumping feminism everywhere is fine and showing dancing guy in thongs to children and old ladies making out in the open (instead of that in their homes, or secluded/private places on parks ;D) doesn't going to blow back on your face in a few generations.

That's because there's only ever two positions to take on any issue, publicly. Anything else is a waste.

For instance, if you think that feminism has gone a bit too far, the reasonable position to take would be the furthest right position on that issue that you think you could reasonably advocate for. Not actually, "feminism has gone too far". If you did take that position, then the end result would end up somewhere in-between your position and the status quo. Which is why you end up with people supporting all kinds of extreme positions they don't believe in.

Same goes for the other side, obviously. If you think men earn a bit too much money, then the reasonable position isn't "we should look into this disparity in salary and its potential causes", because then all you'd end up with is lip service.

Obviously, the "furthest position you could reasonably advocate for" varies. So for a political party, it's whatever's (in Europe) above the electoral threshold, or (in America) just uncontroversial enough to win a primary. And in Internet discussion, printing pamphlets, etc, it's whatever doesn't get you killed/thrown in jail/alienated from the audience.

And the last one isn't set in stone, of course. Even if people find it a disgusting and abhorrent view, they'd still adapt to it as the new norm for that side. So even if nobody agrees with it, it could still end up being useful. And for people who genuinely believe in their cause, getting killed/thrown in jail shouldn't be a big concern.

If you analyze elections from this point of view, it becomes much quicker and easier to vote, too. Because there is only ever one dimension in politics (left-liberal and right-authoritarian), all you need to do is to follow this simple process:

1. Am I left or right of the status quo?
2. What is the furthest electable [answer to step 1] option?

So for instance, if you lived in Greece, there wouldn't ever be any point to voting for anything but the Communist Party of Greece or Golden Dawn. If things get too [left|right]-wing for your tastes, you just vote for the other side. This means that you can skip watching the debates, reading manifestos, etc, since it will take about five seconds to find out which one is furthest left/right.

It's not that one has to actually support any of these parties, but that it's in one's best interests to give support to that party.

This (in addition to basic human nature) is why the only sides on any issue you hear about on the Internet are along the lines of either "refugees welcome - bring your families," or "gas the kikes, race war now". And likewise, why you only ever should argue those kinds of positions unless there are consequences to doing so.

(just to clarify here, lest I get banned: I don't wish to imply that I necessarily hold one of these positions, but only that it's pointless to take meek centrist positions, even on issues you don't really care about)

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Posted on 19-05-10, 20:05

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Posted by sureanem

interesting position, just seeing the right as authoritarian and the left as liberal opens the door to "is russia Right or left, because hes obviously authoritarian, anti gay n shit but hes ones who pay soo the extreme leftist parties keep existing"

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Posted on 19-05-10, 20:21
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Leaving the issue of countries aside for a moment, it holds true for parties. There are very few left-authoritarian parties post-Cold War, and very few right-liberal (for Americans: right-libertarian) parties since I don't know when, 19th century?

So really, that's just one dimension masquerading as two. If you go to one of the leading purveyors of this claim, like politicalcompass.org, you can see this graph:
https://politicalcompass.org/uk2017
It's just a straight line, and the only significant deviance is from regional parties.

Russia funds both sides and doesn't have any ideological goals in doing so (anymore), just the destabilization of NATO and friends. There are also some historical reasons for it. After the fall of the Soviet Union, their handlers kept on working for the same agency, and they didn't see any reason to stop shelling out a few roubles in exchange for a quite significant influence.

But I don't think you can analyze them from an ideological POV because it's fundamentally not about ideology.

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Posted on 19-05-10, 20:29
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Russia is right-authoritarian, anyway. Low taxes, low spending. And the authoritarian part is hardly controversial. But their funding of parties has little to do with this.

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Posted on 19-05-11, 23:42

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Posted by sureanem
Russia is right-authoritarian, anyway. Low taxes, low spending. And the authoritarian part is hardly controversial. But their funding of parties has little to do with this.

yeah like the joke of "Soros is paying the feminist extremists groups" when theeconomic group is obviously conservative.

geting back to the topic, yeah, i think we are going to get moar nazi shit from Lord annyoning Orange as the elections get closer.

Russia and china going to keep their ways, paying people and showing themselves as great nations against imperialism, whilst basically doing soft imperialism/70's backyard diplomacy around the third world, iran going to gain influence and get into the "secret war" with russia/china/usa, and isreael/AIDS cuba doing what isreael/AIDS cuba does best, destabilize all the countries around them soo people who support their rouge states are in power (een if they ruin their own countries), or at least the countries are too weak to strike them (commonly the case to israelí)

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Posted on 19-05-12, 01:14
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I don't think it's a joke that he funds them. In his case, the reasons are a bit complicated and probably best not to discuss in polite conversation. But the goal is the same, to destabilize the host nations.

Trump has given up, which was the price he had to pay for the Russia investigation people going easy on him. He did a few policy 180°'s just days before being exonerated, that couldn't possibly have been a coincidence. He'll probably try to do something closer to "generic Republican" for 2020, talking about socialism etc, and presumably lose.

His only hope is China trade war, or possibly war with Iran - for the latter, he can get almost 100% backing of the political establishment, but presumably they'll want to get rid of him when they're done using him.

Iran has been a geopolitical actor for long, funding Hezbollah and stuff.
Russia and china going to keep their ways, paying people and showing themselves as great nations against imperialism, whilst basically doing soft imperialism/70's backyard diplomacy around the third world

Yeah, I agree. In some cases they don't even bother hiding it (see: China colonizing Africa).

Israel has an (almost) infinitely large source of funds, so they're not getting ruined any time soon. For them it's ostensibly self-defense, though. Somewhere between that and Manifest Destiny.

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Posted on 19-05-13, 20:36
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Posted by Vladiskovwashere
or think that being 3000%gay and bumping feminism everywhere is fine and showing dancing guy in thongs to children and old ladies making out in the open (instead of that in their homes, or secluded/private places on parks ;D) doesn't going to blow back on your face in a few generations.

trans person here

this can read as 'being gay is baaaad' so I hope that's not what you intended there
Posted on 19-09-22, 13:09 (revision 2)
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So, I haven't kept up with this thread after starting it.
Oh, well...


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Posted by Vladiskovwashere
or think that being 3000%gay and bumping feminism everywhere is fine and showing dancing guy in thongs to children and old ladies making out in the open (instead of that in their homes, or secluded/private places on parks ;D) doesn't going to blow back on your face in a few generations.

trans person here

this can read as 'being gay is baaaad' so I hope that's not what you intended there


So on an irrelevant note: being gay is neutral. Believing being transgendered (as opposed to transsexual - genetic accidents and birth defects happen) being different than believing to be Napoleon is very bad.

...and on a relevant note: it looks like this new version of operation Pearl Harbor is now in full swing. The people that over 15 years ago fabricated found evidence of Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction (or perhaps their pupils) now can beyond reasonable doubt confirm Iran's involvement in the attack on Saudi refinery. 'Evidence' for this likely coming from Saudi Arabia (you known, the country with a future ruler, that kills non-subservient journalists) and Israel (...enough said) - both not only (in a sense) American assets of that area, but also chief political opponents of Iran in that area.

I'm not trying to say Iran is 100% being framed here (though I see it as a strong possibility), but even if it wasn't, the acts of war committed by USA against Iran (cause the way the sanctions are applied are nothing but (...unless you want to be extremely dishonest)) would provide a decent explanation why things might be going this way.
Posted on 19-09-22, 19:32
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Iran did it and they are heroes for doing so. Even if you don't trust the Americans on this, who else?

It's way too expensive for a false flag, and the Houthis couldn't have pulled it off. This logically only leaves Iran, no?

Personally, I don't get why the West went along with all of this Micky Mouse country stuff after the death of the Soviet Union - what possible reason is there to internalize an ideology that was explicitly designed to harm you? And if they wouldn't have, they wouldn't have been having nearly any of these issues we are seeing today.

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Posted on 19-09-22, 20:54
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Posted by sureanem
just days before being exonerated
That's an interesting way to put it.
Posted on 19-09-22, 21:51
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Russiagate is dead and buried, and hardly anyone is arguing his presidency is illegitimate anymore. So yes, they did get him exonerated, regardless of what Mueller claims.

As for my prediction about 2020: because the Dems are fielding such rubbish candidates I am going to change it to "Trump will win again," but they are going to win every election after that. However I would have thought they'd field Sanders or Harris, and Warren comes completely out of left field. I suppose she wins by default though, with Biden being too senile and all. Personally, I think they're stupid for going with a woman, especially after the last debacle. 2020 will be a lot less fun than 2016 so I wouldn't think it's worth following anyway. Hope I'm proven wrong though - not a lot going on right now. Calm before the storm?

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Posted on 19-09-22, 21:52

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That's not what exonerated means, and there's far, far more to the situation than "russiagate".
Posted on 19-09-22, 22:06
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Well, exonerated in the public sphere then, but that's all that matters, so you might as well just say exonerated. They said he wasn't guilty, nobody has been talking about the Russians for a long time now, and in exchange he's been playing along.

What more is there to it?

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Posted on 19-09-22, 22:10

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Pretty sure the public sphere doesn't consider the Orange Bad Guy to be innocent of anything in particular.
Posted on 19-09-22, 22:22 (revision 1)
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This is not a matter of personal opinion, but rather one of objective fact. Searches for "trump russia" are at ATL since the election, and you could probably find similar statistics for news headlines. MSM has dropped the subject, and as such it is a non-issue.

EDIT: CNN hasn't published anything under the tag "Trump-Russia Investigation" [sic] since 17 April

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Posted on 19-09-22, 22:33

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I'm not speaking from personal opinion.
Posted on 19-09-22, 22:40
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So then what? We have the hard numbers right there - are there any others to contradict them?

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