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    wertigon
    Posted by tomman

    actually Arch-powered SteamOS 3.0 with Plasma


    OBTW, I run ArchSteamOS!

    A bit excited for this, since it might improve Proton to 99.9999% compatibility now! Other than that, slightly compelled but since I run very few games these days, I'll probably pass it up. Life catches up to me! :D
    tomman And here is the true Switch killer, by none other but Valve!

    Steam Deck

    - 15W Zen 2/RDNA 2 APU
    - 16GB DDR4 RAM
    - 64GB eMMC or 256/512GB NVMe SSD, plus UHS microSD slot on all models
    - 7" LCD (not OLED) touchscreen
    - Built-in controller, including gyroscope and dual trackpads
    - It Runs Linux® - actually Arch-powered SteamOS 3.0 with Plasma, and Proton for those pesky AAA+++ Wintendo games (Yes, you can wipe Linux and install Windows, but WHY?!)
    - A lone USB-C port which also offers DisplayPort output
    - IT HAS A HEADPHONE JACK!
    - Starting at $399 for the base 64GB model, up to $649 for the top-of-the-line 512GB model with antiglare glass and carrying case


    Shipping starting December 2021 in select countries. No, you can't just preorder one yet. Instead, there is a reservation quota for each of the initially supported regions - you give some money to Valve, and when the time comes, they'll actually let preorder yours. Of course, that's totally to prevent scalpers.

    My predictions: It will flop, because it's Valve. Just like Steam Machines and the Gabenpad. Also, I wonder why they ditched Debian for Arch...
    CaptainJistuce
    Posted by Nicholas Steel
    Posted by tomman
    Your extra $20 over the base model gets:
    - A slightly bigger OLED display (7")
    - An Ethernet jack on the dock
    - Twice the internal storage (64GB!)
    - The very same old dated Tegra chip, and the same amount of RAM

    64GB of storage instead of 32GB
    New dock includes a Ethernet port (USB <-> Ethernet adapter built-in).
    New dock has 1 less USB port

    7" OLED screen instead of 6.2" LCD screen
    Ambiguously "better" speakers
    Wide Kick-stand
    Same performance and resolution capability as the Nintendo Switch.

    The first 3 things are relevant to those that use the device docked, the rest is irrelevant to said users.

    And two of the first three things are irrelevant to people that don't use the device docked.
    (Also, from what I've heard the new dock works with the old tablet, so... buy a dock for your integrated ethernet adapter and save a couple hundred bucks, I guess?)
    Nicholas Steel
    Posted by tomman
    Your extra $20 over the base model gets:
    - A slightly bigger OLED display (7")
    - An Ethernet jack on the dock
    - Twice the internal storage (64GB!)
    - The very same old dated Tegra chip, and the same amount of RAM

    64GB of storage instead of 32GB
    New dock includes a Ethernet port (USB <-> Ethernet adapter built-in).
    New dock has 1 less USB port

    7" OLED screen instead of 6.2" LCD screen
    Ambiguously "better" speakers
    Wide Kick-stand
    Same performance and resolution capability as the Nintendo Switch.

    The first 3 things are relevant to those that use the device docked, the rest is irrelevant to said users.
    tomman Nintendo officially reveals the highly rumored Switch Pro OLED model:
    https://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo-officially-reveals-the-oled-model-nintendo-switch-console.590943/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mHq6Y7JSmg

    $349,99. Oh, you DO live at Eurozone? That will be 349,99€ for you then!

    Your extra $20 over the base model gets:
    - A slightly bigger OLED display (7")
    - An Ethernet jack on the dock
    - Twice the internal storage (64GB!)
    - The very same old dated Tegra chip, and the same amount of RAM

    The original Switch and Switch Lite models will still be offered for sale along the "Switch (OLED model)" (official name).

    While teraflops fanboys scream NINTEND00000MEDZ for the eleventy billionth time ("Just get a PS5/XSX, people!!!!"), Nintendo officially extended its License To Print Money™. You want one (or three), don't lie yourself.
    tomman The "IT WONT FIIIIIIT!!!" concerns from gamers regarding the next-gen consoles are so real that furniture shops are now taking action:



    The PS5 is absolutely the Humvee of consoles. But the NeXTbox Xbox SeX is not exactly tiny either.
    This also explains one of the many reasons of why the Sony is not focusing on distributing many PS5s in their homeland of California Japan, where the new console is having its worst launch ever for a PlayStation.
    Mei Koyoki The Nintendo Ninjas have been real since the 1990s - remember UltraHLE and how the two developers were basically forced to abandon their identities by Nintendo's pervasive bullying or pay a massive sum in court?
    tomman
    Posted by Mei Koyoki
    I know someone with the new Xbox and they're running RetroArch's PS2 and Wii cores on it since they paid for the developer mode thingy lol. She said PS5 is the worse of the two this generation, and given Sony's current attitude... I don't blame them. Never forget how Sony UK responded to a Gran Turismo event a few years ago: "who the fuck would play this, the graphics are shit!" or something like that, he was quoted as saying...


    This is something Microsoft did right, yet Sony and Nintendo fail to get: the whole "every retail console can be turned into a devkit". Best of all, it's available to mere mortals like us, no need to have a "secured business office" or a "established publishing deal". Pay ~$20 only once, done, your Xbone/SeX can now run emulators, media players, and random homebrews downloaded from somewhere, LEGALLY. No need to mess with the cat-and-mouse game of version-specific exploits, or risk bricking your console. Just pay and go.

    The only thing I don't like is that (aside of DRM and having to pay) you need to be online to let the mothership to check your privileges, but other than that, this is a nice way to keep everybody happy. Well, everybody but pirates. Microsoft seems to have done their homework: while Steam-like sales craze are still not commonplace on consoles, Xbox has cheap games, and the whole Xbox Game Pass where you can literally rent hundreds of games for a flat rate. If you still want to pirate Xbox games, either you're a PokéRAWMz kiddo (in that case, knock it out!), one of those "stick it to the man!" twits (what are you doing playing DRM'd stuff?!), or live in a shithole like Soviet Venezuela or Best Korea (and if that's you, chances are you can't afford even a used original Xbox from 2001, much less a Xbone/SeX anyway).

    As much as I dislike Microsoft, this is one of the many good things the new (Satya Nutella's) MS has done.

    Contrast with Sony or Nintendo, where they're too busy deploying the Sony Police Department to silence hackers. Or even worse: the Nintendo Ninjas are real, and in many ways, they're even more dangerous than the Sony cops! (seriously: hiring a freakin' P.I. to stalk 3DS hackers in Europe!? This shit should be extremely illegal, but alas, we don't live in a ideal world)
    Mei Koyoki
    - The AMD SoC clearly says "PROJECT SCARLETT" on the die laser engraving marks, instead of just "Microsoft Xbox". Cute.

    UwU

    I know someone with the new Xbox and they're running RetroArch's PS2 and Wii cores on it since they paid for the developer mode thingy lol. She said PS5 is the worse of the two this generation, and given Sony's current attitude... I don't blame them. Never forget how Sony UK responded to a Gran Turismo event a few years ago: "who the fuck would play this, the graphics are shit!" or something like that, he was quoted as saying...

    Posted by funkyass
    Im guessing they shoved it into their entertainment units with no regard for airflow.

    /offtopic: change 'it' for the J2ME Sonic 1 port, 'entertainment unit' for GBA, and 'airflow' for 'the hardware' and you basically get Sonic Genesis GBA not gonna lie lmao
    Nicholas Steel You forgot to mention the PS5's cooling setup doesn't cool all of the memory chips. There's at least one along the bottom with no heatsink and very little if any airflow over it. It basically operates at maximum acceptable temperature the entire time you're gaming >.>" there's also apparently not very much in the way of cooling for the user accessible NVMe compartment.
    tomman https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2020-12-31/type-moon-tsukihime-visual-novel-remake-reveals-new-cast-summer-launch-on-ps4-switch-in-video/.168035

    > Tsukihime remake is real
    > no Sacchin route
    ...and Nasu just ruined 2021 for all of us :/
    tomman And now, better late than never, iFixit's official PS5 teardown

    - Texas called, they want their truck back! Oh man, this thing is HUGE, basically, the biggest videogame console ever.
    - The fan is BIG, but very user serviceable, as long as you don't mind the security Torx screw heads. Still, I'm not feeling comfortable getting a vacuum cleaner near this thing (static electricity and all), but you're supposed to dust off the exhausts every now and then.
    - The massive fan obviously cools down an equally hefty heatsink.
    - The user-accessible M.2 NVMe slot supports all form factors between 30mm and 110mm, which are basically every commercially available M.2 stick, as long as it complies with Sony performance specs (the standard does allow for 16mm and 26mm cards, but apparently nobody is making SSDs that small yet). For reference, the PCIe 4.0 SSD from the Xbox Sex is a 2230, so 30mm. Now the sicko in me wants to see someone "shucking" a Xbox for its SSD, and then installing it on a PS5. Oh wait, the slot is right now useless as Sony has yet to release the required firmware update for enabling its use!
    - Liquid metal is no joke. You definitely don't want to mess with it as it can quickly kill your console if you splash it carelessly.
    - Unlike the XSX, the PS5 comes with a CR2032 3V battery holder installed.
    - It also has a tiny speaker inside, most likely for screaming at you when your console dies.
    - The onboard (soldered) SSD has its own dedicated 512MB RAM cache.
    - The disc drive (if your console ships with one) is still married to the motherboard, sadly. No surprises there.


    So basically this round of the console wars boils down to: Liquid Metal vs. Vapor Chamber. FIGHT!
    kode54 Probably the same people who blew vape smoke through their series x so they could film it "smoking".
    tomman Hence, the ridiculous "IT WON'T FIIIIIT!" complaints from many people.

    My Sega Genesis was all the time on the floor, aside of the TV on the same table, or over a cardboard box, not inside an impossibly small cubbyhole (plus, only the original NES was a frontloader among all the cart-based consoles). Expecting POWER to fit on tiny TINY boxes is unrealistic, but I guess we're living in stupid times.
    funkyass Im guessing they shoved it into their entertainment units with no regard for airflow.
    Nicholas Steel
    Posted by tomman
    The next console generation has just arrived, COVID or not!

    First on iFixit's trusty dismantling table: the neXtcube Xbox Sex

    Highlights:

    - Overkill is the name of the game. The cooling game, that is! Looks like both Sony and MS are playing it safe to prevent another wave of overheating-related RMAs.
    - Look at that bigass 130mm single fan! (made by Delta, which is "God-tier" on the PSU enthusiast arena) It's also surprisingly serviceable - you just have to void your warranty to do so. BOO!

    And yet I've seen people anecdotally claim they've seen a message that their Xbox Series/PS 5 console needs to be turned off for a while to cool. So either they effed something up, those people installed their consoles in a sealed container for some stupid reason or the manufacturers need to mess with fan profiles in the firmware.
    tomman The next console generation has just arrived, COVID or not!

    First on iFixit's trusty dismantling table: the neXtcube Xbox Sex

    Highlights:

    - Overkill is the name of the game. The cooling game, that is! Looks like both Sony and MS are playing it safe to prevent another wave of overheating-related RMAs.
    - Look at that bigass 130mm single fan! (made by Delta, which is "God-tier" on the PSU enthusiast arena) It's also surprisingly serviceable - you just have to void your warranty to do so. BOO!
    - VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRY unusual PCB sandwich! Heatsink->PCB->"center chassis" (aka more heatsinking)->PCB->shield->PSU, all held together with a cute black rubber band.
    - MS actually reused many Xbone components on the Sex... including (in a first) the optical drive, the very same PLDS DG-6M5S featured on the previous generation. Most likely they did that because 1) nobody else is making optical drives these days other than PLDS (Phillips/Lite-On) and HLDS (Hitachi/LG), 2) it remains unhacked as of today, and 3) it lets them save money. If your ODD breaks, you should be able to use Xbone replacement-- oh wait, we forgot that those drives are married to the motherboard, and since their security is still broken, you need to perform PCB swaps on those (which sadly involve soldering, and if the reason your drive died is the PCB, you're fucked)
    - The internal SSD is -surprisingly- a (mostly?) vanilla SanDisk WD M.2 NVMe SSD. Well, WD says it's a custom high performance design for MS, but the iFixit folks tested it on a external NVMe enclosure and their Mac listed several NTFS partitions. In theory this means the internal SSD is replaceable should it fail or want to upgrade, but in practice, expect software hurdles (and some lame DRM) for that. This also implies that they could just been as nice as Sony and just expose the whole M.2 slot to the user -no warranty-voiding actions needed!- instead of going the money-gouging route with their custom SSD expansion modules. Double BOO!
    - The controller is basically the same as the Xbone controller, but with an extra "Share" button and a redesigned D-pad (do Xbox D-pads still suck?)
    - The AMD SoC clearly says "PROJECT SCARLETT" on the die laser engraving marks, instead of just "Microsoft Xbox". Cute.
    - There are solder points for a CR2032 battery holder, but no battery is supplied with the console. Does it means that would I need to reset the clock every time there is a power outage or the console is left unplugged for more than a few minutes?!
    - The internal PSU case looks like a car ECU :D
    creaothceann Cyberpunk 2077 delayed by 3 weeks to 2020-12-10.

    More time for me to see how the graphics card market develops.
    BearOso
    Posted by tomman

    Yes, Sony overengineered to hell and back the cooling system, but if this means less RMAs, and dead silent, ice-cold gaming sessions, who cares if this thing is bigger than your... head?

    Damn straight. You don't buy a console to look at. What will reviewers come up with next?--it doesn't have a display with a notch, so it's not as good as an iphone? A huge fan means less noise, and I'm all for it.

    Still, it beats the Xbox Sex proprietary SSDs (because MS had to screw up user-friendly storage expansion options, AGAIN).

    Yeah, they had an opportunity to be seen as more flexible but blew it, revealing their one and only supported proprietary expansion.
    tomman Official PS5 teardown

    Oh my, that thing is HUGE! It's the Texas Pick-up Truck of consoles... yet all that size is basically 70% fancooler, 30% console.

    Yes, Sony overengineered to hell and back the cooling system, but if this means less RMAs, and dead silent, ice-cold gaming sessions, who cares if this thing is bigger than your... head? Apparently overheating was a common problem with PS4s (and certain non-Sony consoles *cough*RRoD*cough*), so Sony is trying to play it safe with this one. Also: liquid metal, AND they want YOU, dear gamer, to clean your fancooler regularly (warranty NOT voided!), just like your aircon filters - you DO clean them, riiiiiight? Unfortunately, all I've heard are nerds complaining that this console is bigger than their waifus, it won't fit, and even some Hackernews iDiot™ moaning because it isn't THIIIIIIIIIIIIIN so he can hang it behind his THIIIIIIIIIIIIIN TV. If you really hate first-gen hardware that much, wait 2-3 years for the Slim version then.

    The ultrafast SSD is soldered, which means that if any of those Flash memory ICs dies, so does your console. You still get a M.2 expansion slot, but you need to ensure that the SSD you're going to purchase is as good or better than the already high-tier PS5 built-in (which as of this post date means that you don't have many expansion options currently in the market, and you're fishing at the upper end of the product spectrum if numbers are to believe). Still, it beats the Xbox Sex proprietary SSDs (because MS had to screw up user-friendly storage expansion options, AGAIN).

    For those keeping the score at home, Sony already did an official PS4 teardown near launch. Still, nothing it's really official until iFixit does theirs :)
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