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    CaptainJistuce You're completely right, of course.
    BearOso
    Posted by CaptainJistuce

    The lack of subsequent stimulus programs has been on Congress, not Trump. Congress is going to insist they did what was needed and the plague is over and it is time for all y'all slackers to get back to work!


    Trump likes to call them the "do-nothing" Democrats, but Mitch McConnell is simply refusing to allow anything but judicial appointments come to the floor.

    Then there's the fact that most of the stimulus money goes where it's not needed. 300 billion dollars for the airline industry? They've been making record profits for years--they could sit on their stash forever without any trouble. That money only serves to continue to inflate the stock and help rich stock holders, not normal citizens.
    CaptainJistuce
    Posted by Nicholas Steel
    Considering how much America has already spent on relief packages etc. it wouldn't surprise me if there's a small part of Trump that doesn't want to keep signing multi-trillion dollar packages. he might not want to be the PM that sinks the country in to 30 trillion dollars of additional debt or whatever it'd have ended up at if they kept on with the relief packages.
    President Trump didn't want to do the first one. But he wasn't going to NOT sign it and take the heat from the angry american people. And he darn sure wasn't going to let Congress override his veto. That would look REALLY bad for him.

    The lack of subsequent stimulus programs has been on Congress, not Trump. Congress is going to insist they did what was needed and the plague is over and it is time for all y'all slackers to get back to work!

    ...

    Congress also probably doesn't understand exactly how far the stimulus checks they mailed out go. I'm assuming their vision is similar to the economists that were surprised people took their 1200-dollar checks and spent them on boring mundane things like rent and bills instead of going out and buying a new car or something.
    Nicholas Steel Considering how much America has already spent on relief packages etc. it wouldn't surprise me if there's a small part of Trump that doesn't want to keep signing multi-trillion dollar packages. he might not want to be the PM that sinks the country in to 30 trillion dollars of additional debt or whatever it'd have ended up at if they kept on with the relief packages.
    BearOso
    Posted by CaptainJistuce
    I read it because I read everything.

    I have dim hopes for the kung flu going away any time soon. And The Vaccine(tm) is a lie perpetuated by those with an interest in downplaying the problem. To my understanding coronaviruses mutate rapidly, making them very difficult to vaccinate against and rendering any vaccine created useful for only a few months.
    I'm just hoping that SARS-CoV2 mutates into a less virulent form.

    It has been mutating into a less virulent form. Testing is showing strains with significant genome deletion, so it’s not a very hardy virus. As a result, vaccines are going to be at least somewhat effective.

    Of course, there’s no logical reason for relaxing restrictions in the US. The number of cases has never stopped increasing, and it’s the worst it’s ever been right now. The Trumpies are worried about their stock portfolios decreasing, though, and that’s too steep a cost for continuing safe practices.
    CaptainJistuce I read it because I read everything.

    I have dim hopes for the kung flu going away any time soon. And The Vaccine(tm) is a lie perpetuated by those with an interest in downplaying the problem. To my understanding coronaviruses mutate rapidly, making them very difficult to vaccinate against and rendering any vaccine created useful for only a few months.
    I'm just hoping that SARS-CoV2 mutates into a less virulent form.


    And that maybe China will clean op their food supply. And not fucking lie about their local plagues next time. This could've been contained, but China lied to save face and the WHO took their lies at face value.
    Hell, it could've been contained in Wuhan, but local officials lied to save face and their national government took the lies at face value.
    Kawaoneechan Yeah well, I'm only reading this thread for moderation purposes 😸
    tomman Considering all the weird shit that it's happening around the world (protests in USA, Europoors being Europoors, Soviet Venezuela being as hopeless as usual, every government in world blatantly lying about their statistics, and the prospects of a working/effective vaccine being, well, a lottery even for 2021), I hereby decided that I stopped giving a fuck about COVID-19 AKA the Chinese Pest™.

    If I'm going to die from this, so be it. No, I don't have the virus... but then I can't just go out and get tested because you're simply not allowed to walk into a hospital and get tested without a "very good reason" to do so.

    I'm not going to read anymore about this disease that either will wipe half the mankind, or will do nothing but to remind us that we're among stupids :/

    I already have bigger troubles in life. I guess this board where nobody bothers posting anymore because MUH SOCIAL CRAPPS has become my safety vent, but still...

    So yeah, I'm leaving this thread alone.
    tomman In Japan, Shinzo Abe claims his country has supernatural powers and prefers to see you, dear citizen, dead:
    https://science.slashdot.org/story/20/05/25/1844207/japan-model-has-beaten-coronavirus-shinzo-abe-declares
    Since when Japan became fucking China?!

    In Soviet Venezuela, Soviet Supremo For Life Maduro announced a partial lifting of the lockdown, claims gas stations will be full of fuel starting Monday, and everyone will work at really oddball schedules depending on what they do: banks will work 9AM - 1PM, while "health shops" will work 10AM - 4PM. Oh, and everything that involves people lining up (that isn't a supermarket) will only let people enter according their national ID number: for example, according to the pile of BS announced, you can only go to the bank ONCE a week, on your designated day (and Fridays are only for corporate customers).

    Expect hyperinflation to reach Mars before Musk does it first. Oh, and our curve just started climbing up fast in the last two weeks - what a nice timing to lift lockdowns. Because our Dear Leaders wants us fucking DEAD.
    wertigon Actually, when it comes to the lockdown, the totalitarian measures as seen in most countries are pretty much throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

    What are the reasons for lockdowns? Two reasons, the first is to not overwhelm the healthcare system and storm the hospitals. The second reason is to develop better ways of treating patients. The goal here is to keep as few people as possible from dying, and the second reason makes less people die of this particular illness, while the former reason makes less people die of all illnesses.

    The lockdown does come at a cost though. The obvious one is the economy - every week noone is tending to the figurative wheat fields, the lesser the food stores for the winter will be. The less obvious cost is that most will still be susceptible to this virus, so if no cure or better enough treatment can be found soon, you would have traded a pointless massive economic damage for... What, exactly? The deaths will still happen, people will still get sick with cancer etc, but since they are in lockdown, a whole lot MORE will eventually die of starvation or sickness.

    It's impossible to say which strategy is best at the moment. The Swedish strategy is the "shield" strategy - it assumes most infected people will survive the virus, but some risk groups will not. Thus, you shield the elderly and weak, the ten percent of the population that would die for sure - and otherwise have measures in place to let the infection have a slow burn and not overwhelm the healthcare.

    Looking at the statistics, this assumption holds true. Most people who have died of the virus (at least 90%) are of 60 years age or above, and most regions are seeing a decline in the population. So the Swedish strategy has managed with the first point, not to overwhelm the healthcare system, really well.

    The high death numbers are partly because the most dangerous place to be in Sweden right now, is in the elderly care where many homes failed to take strong enough measures to shield the aging population. This is not an excuse, just plain facts. The Swedish strategy has therefore failed to keep the death counts low.

    Sweden is already coming out of their pandemic, while many other countries have yet to start on it, and Swedish measures will probably be copied for the exit strategies of many countries. That said, not all sunshine and roses. Every death is a failure, even if that death was pretty much unavoidable.
    tomman By the way, here is a perfect example of a society full of morons that can't take pandemics seriously:

    https://science.slashdot.org/story/20/05/23/0218249/lockdown-ignoring-sweden-now-has-europes-highest-per-capita-death-rate

    Don't be a Swede, people. Or a politician.
    tomman Once again, governments around the world still want for you to die, as some places start lifting their lockdowns.

    It's truly pathetic to see people placing "teh economy" over HUMAN LIVES. Yes, if you can't work, you don't get paid, therefore you may starve and die, but that's what governments are for: to support their people during difficult times! Oh wait, I forgot that both commies and capitalist pigs are united in being evil :/

    Soviet Venezuela is still doing terrible: gas pumps are still devoid of the precious dead damned dinosaur juice extract, so people have three options:
    - Die.
    - Buy fuel at the black market, which is 100% controlled by the military. Only in Soviet Venezuela prices of gas RISE during a pandemic (~$2/liter is not uncommon - that's almost $8/gal for you Yanks!)
    - Some really stupid beings people with more balls than common sense risk their lives (and of those around them) by performing homebrew conversions of cars to run off propane gas cylinders... the same ones we use as fuel to cook our food. Those ones are also very difficult and/or expensive to refuel (natural gas shortages are a recurring theme around the country). No, this isn't the same gas you use on factory-fitted natural gas vehicles! Oh, and that's extremely illegal: get caught and your vehicle will be seized.

    Plus, people is about to go insane now that both in a rare turn of events, both the Soviet Supremo and the Trump administration forced AT&T to pull the plug on DirecTV operations in the country, leaving over FIVE MILLION decoders in the dark, essentially bricked. There goes down the shitter another option to stay informed during the lockdown... but idiots don't miss foreign newscasts, they miss their HBOs :/

    Oh, the Chinese Plague has been confirmed in MY city: seven cases, of which the commies don't want you to learn about half of them:
    - Two defectors returning from Colombia with the virus. They were tested positive, then the assholes RAN AWAY, just to be caught later... AT A LOCAL MARKET FULL OF PEOPLE. Since they most likely weren't wearing their facemasks properly (if at all), expect a HUGE spike of cases in the upcoming days... assuming the local authorities even bother testing people!
    - Three Cubans which were isolated. To this date the commies deny those as official cases, but I happen to live in one of the rare cities with a opposition-led administration (of which commies never waste time to silence and downplay their authority), so we know that it's fucking BULLSHIT.

    This has led to the strengthening of the lockdown over here:
    - Curfew now starts at NOON, according to several reports. Not that you can't leave home without fuel or cash for the bus (banks remain closed and ATMs are still dead, remember)
    - Apparently the usage of gloves is now to be decreed mandatory (!?) along facemasks.
    - No facemask? JAIL for you then.

    So yeah, we're now literally sleeping with the enemy next door.
    ndiddy
    Posted by nyanpasu64
    solution? get your balls removed and take estrogen. it's not like i'd do it or anything...


    https://twitter.com/NYTScience/status/1254774309857357826?s=19
    nyanpasu64
    Posted by tomman
    Coronavirus Found In Men's Semen

    The new coronavirus can persist in men's semen even after they have begun to recover, a finding that raises the possibility the virus could be sexually transmitted, Chinese researchers said Thursday. A team at Shangqiu Municipal Hospital tested 38 male patients treated there at the height of the pandemic in China, in January and February. About 16% of them had evidence of the coronavirus in their semen, the team reported in the journal JAMA Network Open. About a quarter of them were in the acute stage of infection and nearly 9% of them were recovering, the team reported. It's not a surprising finding. Many viruses can live in the male reproductive tract. Ebola and Zika virus were both found to spread in semen, sometimes months after a male patient had recovered. It's not yet clear if coronavirus can spread this way. Finding evidence of virus does not necessarily mean it's infectious.


    ... I don't want to live in this world anymore.

    Thaaaaaaaaaaanks, China.


    solution? get your balls removed and take estrogen. it's not like i'd do it or anything...
    tomman Coronavirus Found In Men's Semen

    The new coronavirus can persist in men's semen even after they have begun to recover, a finding that raises the possibility the virus could be sexually transmitted, Chinese researchers said Thursday. A team at Shangqiu Municipal Hospital tested 38 male patients treated there at the height of the pandemic in China, in January and February. About 16% of them had evidence of the coronavirus in their semen, the team reported in the journal JAMA Network Open. About a quarter of them were in the acute stage of infection and nearly 9% of them were recovering, the team reported. It's not a surprising finding. Many viruses can live in the male reproductive tract. Ebola and Zika virus were both found to spread in semen, sometimes months after a male patient had recovered. It's not yet clear if coronavirus can spread this way. Finding evidence of virus does not necessarily mean it's infectious.


    ... I don't want to live in this world anymore.

    Thaaaaaaaaaaanks, China.
    BearOso
    Posted by CaptainJistuce
    Posted by tomman
    Protip: if whoever at the lead of your country is thinking about relaxing the lockdowns, overthrow those fuckers NOW.

    Half the country thinks they are villains for not having already done so.

    But Trump is only trying to make them rich like him. Then they’ll show those poor liberals and non-whites who’s boss. They don’t need to care about any virus. It doesn’t exist. But if it does and they get sick, Trump will help them for sure, right?

    And Tyson execs can go fuck themselves. Their chicken quality got so poor I stopped buying it years ago. If Tyson goes down the world will be a better place.
    ndiddy
    Posted by tomman
    Also cancelled due to COVID-19: April Fools... at least in Googlempire.


    That's nice, their jokes suck. Hopefully they'll continue the trend in the future.
    CaptainJistuce
    Posted by tomman
    Protip: if whoever at the lead of your country is thinking about relaxing the lockdowns, overthrow those fuckers NOW.

    Half the country thinks they are villains for not having already done so.

    Oh, and I've just read that there are already more infectious variants of this shitty virus already in the wild, so have fun!

    WHOO! We can reopen just in time to get the REAL version!


    Oh, we're doing as bad as usual over here at Soviet Venezuela. We've been EXTREMELY lucky to have "only" ~381 cases officially reported (the real number should be like 10x times that considering that commies are fucking liars), but that's mostly due to the severe fuel shortages, plus good ol' repression. You can't get infected if you can't leave home.

    No, people still refuses to respect social distancing.
    Tyrannical repression is about the only thing that'd get people to keep their distance here.
    tomman Protip: if whoever at the lead of your country is thinking about relaxing the lockdowns, overthrow those fuckers NOW.

    As much as we want/need to reopen the global economy ASAP, that it's just not happening anytime soon for as long as we don't get this China pest under control. With vaccines not expected to be released until early 2021 AT THE VERY EARLIEST (and assuming that those Phase II/III trials go according to plans, i.e. people don't start dropping dead after the shots), it would be a crime to give people a naive expectation of safety just because "we did it, we flattened the curve!!!". Oh, and I've just read that there are already more infectious variants of this shitty virus already in the wild, so have fun!

    But then, morons still believe that Bill Gates is infusing those vaccines with 5G nanobots, or whatever.

    Oh, we're doing as bad as usual over here at Soviet Venezuela. We've been EXTREMELY lucky to have "only" ~381 cases officially reported (the real number should be like 10x times that considering that commies are fucking liars), but that's mostly due to the severe fuel shortages, plus good ol' repression. You can't get infected if you can't leave home.

    No, people still refuses to respect social distancing.
    BearOso 10% of our town tested positive with asymptomatic coronavirus. This was as of a few weeks ago. Of course the total % is higher. Thanks for caring, meat-packing industry execs.
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