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It seems you are having a language barrier problem, and seem to be having the same misunderstanding that the guy on that forum is having. You seem to misunderstand what the guy is trying to explain about HLE and LLE, but from the other side of things.

I'm also not sure where on the linked page you see a group of Dolphin developers banding together to say that resolution has no correlation with accuracy. I see one guy saying "Personally, I don't care if the graphical output is 1:1. When I emulate my games, I'm trying to recreate the thoughts, feelings, and excitement that I found when playing the game. For me, the graphics are just one element in the overall experience. As long as the core experience is the same - as long as it's fundamentally the same game - I'm all too happy to play a game again, scaling filters or not."

And now the conversation loops back on itself: It depends completely on the platform you are emulating. Yes, if you are emulating the N64, you can tell it to arbitrarily scale the polygons to be any resolution that you want them to be, and it would still be "accurate", albeit in a different scale. However, you then need to scale the textures to fill those polygons, and there is no magic formula that makes that work perfectly without creating artifacts. Artifacts that make things inaccurate. Like those pictures that you just quoted.

still anyway they stated resolution doesnt affect accuracy.

No, they didn't. I had to re-read the entire thread to double check, but no, they definitely didn't. The closest they said is that it's possible with LLE. That does not mean it doesn't affect accuracy.

Texture packs do not solve the problem of texel coordinate accuracy. They can only at best bandaid an inaccuracy problem with more inaccuracy. If anyone anywhere ever said otherwise they are wrong.

Some of N64 plugins support texture packs so thats not a problem still anyway they stated resolution doesnt affect accuracy.

Because when I want accuracy, I think texture packs. Hell yeah!

(Also, no, they really didn't say that. You are misunderstanding the english)

Yes one of them did learn how to read with attenton.

The z64 plugins emulate the RSP (Reality Sound Processor) and the graphics via LLE, again, as accurately as the author could make them (the N64 is notoriously missing on documentation). The plugin then hands over the data to the Mupen64Plus core, which can decide to do whatever it wants with it. Take this fake conversation as an illustration of how it works:

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Or something along those lines. I've not looked at Mupen64Plus' plugin API, so it could be the other way around, where the core tells the plugin to do the scaling, rather than doing the scaling itself (this makes more sense, since it keeps everything segregated). At any rate, the plugin is doing everything accurately via LLE. Scaling the resolution at the end does not (or at least should not if programmed correctly) affect the accuracy in any sense other than that's not the N64's native resolution.

No they did say resolution doesnt affect accuracy just like shaders/filters like HQ2X dont affect it maybe you have problems with understanding english. Eh some people like you are really stuck in their ways.

Are you referring to this part?


I've bolded the relevant bit. He explicitly said that it doesn't affect the accuracy except in one way that it does. You can't tell me that if there's an exception to that claim, it's still 100% accurate.

He also said this: ''Again, increasing (or for that matter any alteration of) the internal resolution is an enhancement. Again, it's not emulation unless the actual console does it''. So basically it can be 100% accurate regardless of resolution because only emulation can be accurate and increasing resolution/ using shaders is not part of emulation.

I did a ctrl+f and couldn't find where on the page he said that. I also don't believe he said that, because it's extremely hard to understand what those sentences are meant to mean.

If I am parsing it right, that's similar to saying "Well, the original console doesn't forcibly insert a model of Mario mooning you and blocking your path at random into every single game. So it can be 100% accurate emulation to add that feature, because it's not part of emulation."

You know those lua scripts for NES emulators that like you throw Mario around the screen with your mouse pointer? Not part of the original console. You know what else? Not entirely accurate to the original experience either.

maybe you have problems with understanding english. Eh some people like you are really stuck in their ways.

Was this an "In before they criticise my English ability" attempt? 'Cause yes, you probably do need to improve your English ability before attempting to understand everything being discussed in this thread.

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