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    How much money is reasonable for a good GPU?
    sub $200
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    $200-$400
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    $400-$650
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    $650-$1000
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    Screw dat, I'm doing consoles bro!
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    Posted on 22-01-14, 16:06
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    So, was looking at GPU prices again now, just to see what is out there.

    I have determined I need somewhere between a 6600 XT ($649), 3060 Ti ($899) or 6700 XT ($899). The 6700 XT is slightly more powerful than the 3060 Ti and at the same price, I think this is the better card even though it does lack a decent DLSS feature, especially for Linux (and not keen on Nvidia given that recent reveals show that they actively sabotaged Linux graphics development for years). As for the 3060 ($800)... Not gonna pay that much extra for a card that cannot even match the 6600 XT in performance, even IF Nvidia wasn't scumbags. Sorry. :P

    Then I realised, for $900 I could instead buy a Raptor Lake system or a brand spanking new Zen 4 system coming out at the end of this year, with the Ryzen 7700G. Or a freaking 8 TB SSD drive. Both feel like significantly better investments than a GPU at the same price point.

    So, I guess I'll stick it out until end of this year and see if anything that isn't a joke (like the 6500 XT) or comes from a real scumbag company (Nvidia) comes with a decent price tag. MSRP is dead in either case, otherwise the $379 6600 XT would've been OK. It sucks because both the old stock and the new stock is sucked dry, else I'd probably pick up a 5-year old RX 580 or something.

    Maybe I'm just being a cranky old man and I should just retire and tell people to get off my lawn though... :)
    Posted on 22-01-14, 23:38

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    It's not there, but I'm more of the 'Screw dat, I'm playing retro bro!' camp myself. :D

    I think GPU prices won't be going down at least in the near future, so you might be better off putting your money into something you will benefit immediately from. Or you can always hold out for the next big thing that comes out of their fabs.

    I still have no idea what I'm talking about.
    Posted on 22-01-15, 16:08

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    Posted by wertigon
    How much money is reasonable for a good GPU?

    Unfortunately capitalism doesn't care about "reasonable" or MSRP, it cares about supply and demand. If you just need something to connect your monitors to, get a mainboard with integrated graphics or a ASUS GT710 / GT730. Anything for gaming will come with a "luxury" tax. Over here, RTX 2060 starts at 538€ (460€ on ebay), RTX 3060 at 695€ (630€ on ebay). And those are the "cheap" ones that might have loud fans etc.

    Speaking of DLSS, the new NVIDIA driver has a new DLS option ("DLDSR") that can be used with DLSS.


    Posted by wertigon
    not keen on Nvidia given that recent reveals show that they actively sabotaged Linux graphics development for years

    Anything more recent than what we already knew? And it's not like AMD wouldn't shy away from using their position either if they were on top.

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    Posted on 22-01-15, 20:24 (revision 1)
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    Posted by creaothceann

    Unfortunately capitalism doesn't care about "reasonable" or MSRP, it cares about supply and demand.


    When I can buy the 7700G which performs at GTX0 1050 Ti levels of performance, sure, the demand will greatly decrease. Since AMD has said most if not all AM5 CPUs will have APUs in them, well... $700 for a great workstation with decent 1080p graphics or $700 for a graphics card that produces flawless 4k imagery? Your choice. :)

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    Posted by wertigon
    not keen on Nvidia given that recent reveals show that they actively sabotaged Linux graphics development for years

    Anything more recent than what we already knew? And it's not like AMD wouldn't shy away from using their position either if they were on top.


    Not if you have been paying attention on what is going on. Pretty much, locked down firmware, the whole EGLStreams fiasco holding back Wayland for years, refusal to properly integrate with Mesa despite Mesa being the superior solution for years now. Not really a fan of their lack of MSRP numbers for their three latest GPUs, too.

    Would AMD have done the same if roles were reversed? Possibly. Would I buy from AMD if they had? Probably not. Whataboutism doesn't really validate any breaks of trust.
    Posted on 22-01-15, 23:07
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    Posted by wertigon
    Not really a fan of their lack of MSRP numbers for their three latest GPUs, too.

    In fairness, MSRP is meaningless right now anyways. Nothing is selling for suggested retail.

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    Posted on 22-01-16, 15:33
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    Posted by CaptainJistuce
    In fairness, MSRP is meaningless right now anyways. Nothing is selling for suggested retail.


    In terms of what it sells in the store, yes. MSRP is meaningless.

    In terms of, what does it cost the manufacturer to produce this though? No, it is actually a very relevant metric that tells us that Nvidia is most probably looking to increase margins further. Both AMD and Nvidia want to have higher margins, but not disclosing MSRP makes it that much harder to keep tabs on Nvidia.

    Example:

    Assume Nvidia releases a card that performs at x FPS and cost $300. Then we know this. We are expecting Nvidia can sell a card profitably with x FPS at $300.
    Next year Nvidia releases a card that performs at x*1.1 FPS and cost $350. Again, we can keep tabs here and compare the new value to the old value.
    Year after, Nvidia release a card that performs at x*1.15 FPS and cost... We do not know how much these cost. Could be $500 or could be $50. Is it a good value now? Is Nvidia producing cards at a loss, or not?

    So, this is dishonest both for prospective customers, and their shareholders. What would be reasonable to expect here? An MSRP between $300 and $350. Is it though? Is it an attempt to hide a bad value proposition card, or not? Or are they just being greedy fuckers for the sake of being greedy (at which point they expose a huge opening for competitors, and wish to obfuscate this fact)? Should it even be that the 3080 12GB version sell for less than the 8GB version, since prices on DRAM have come down significantly these past few months?

    MSRP is valuable still, even though it is not valuable as a measure of store prices during shortages.
    Posted on 22-01-16, 17:11
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    "Zero" will be a appropriate price for GPUs the day (Xinnie|Kim) nukes (Taiwan|Korea) and there is no cutting edge chips for anyone. Oh, and don't forget craptominers.

    Better value your classic videogames and forget of GPU-intensive workloads until something changes in the overall picture, as many of the challenges are not only logistic, but political.

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