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Posted on 20-06-23, 22:20
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Apple makes appliances that people compute with, not computers.
Posted on 20-06-23, 23:23
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I thought Apple made fashion accesories that you can compute with.

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Posted on 20-06-24, 00:53
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I think you can blame Jef Raskin for that - Jobs just stole realized his original vision of the Mac into an actual shipping product... and it has been all downhill since then. However, I can't remember when the Mac became a cult.

Remember: it was Jobs who didn't wanted to have videogames or a color screen back when the competition was using those features to sell (even Apple's own Apple ][ line was among those)

My prediction: the new ARM Macs will sell, but mostly to people deeply invested into the Apple ecosystem (i.e. fanboys, Starbucks customers, iOS developers), while they will lose a sizeable chunk of market among the professional sector.

However, anything that hurts Intel is A-OK on my book, even if it comes from Apple!

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Posted on 20-06-25, 04:11

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Hey, if it manages to eat more market share, nice. Hurt intel plenty, please. And I’ll probably be trying to get ahold of one of these things eventually.

Btw, one thing I’ve learned from someone actually testing these things. The Application Binary Interface is identical to iOS.

One person I saw compiled something with the beta Universal Xcode, a console app. Then successfully ran it on their jailbroken iPhone.
Posted on 20-06-28, 02:01

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Give it another fifteen years. They'll introduce a brand new architecture that they can control from start to finish, with no license fees of any sort. That'll show everyone.

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Posted on 20-06-28, 02:51
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Give it another fifteen years. They'll introduce a brand new architecture that they can control from start to finish, with no license fees of any sort. That'll show everyone.
Ah, the long-awaited iProc.

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Posted on 20-06-28, 03:30
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Give it another fifteen years. They'll introduce a brand new architecture that they can control from start to finish, with no license fees of any sort. That'll show everyone.
Ah, the long-awaited iProc.

Complete with fashion designer ISA: "You're Assembling It Wrong™".

They will also take away the ALU because Courage™.

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Posted on 20-07-06, 05:42

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Their prototype development hardware is benching faster at virtual x86 than Microsoft’s Surface Pro X does running the native ARM version of the same benchmark. Sweet.
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Cool, now let's compare apples to apples.

The Surface X is a fine machine, but not the class of computer people would buy for doing "pro stuff", i.e., the class of stuff most Mac users used to do (edit video/audio/images, creative stuff, developing software on languages other than JavaScript).

Anyway, more bad news if you liked having a real GPU on your Mac: kiss goodbye your Radeons, as Apple is envisioning an "all-Apple" hardware strategy:
https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10631
https://twitter.com/never_released/status/1280207485278789633
Yes, that means the only GPUs you'll get on those new ARMacs are custom iGPUs. Makes a lot of sense for their portables an low-end desktops, but this also spells more doom for the Pro lines. This effectively kills Mac as a gaming platform (unless that by "gaming" you mean "cellphone pay2win junk", and in that case you have no business at all buying computers). I don't envision AAA+++ game publishers porting their $60 flagships to ARMac - but then few of them really cared about the platform in first place (and you thought we Linux gamers already had it very rough), and I seriously doubt Apple can come up with a Radeon/GeForce-killer silicon.

Let's recap the whole GPU-on-Mac ordeal: nVidia was already "persona non grata" on recent MacOS versions, Intel is getting ejected even before the Xe becomes a retail product (if ever), and now AMD has been shown the way out of the building. I HOPE external Thunderbolt GPUs still remain a viable workaround for the few pros still commited to stay at the Apple camp, but knowing Apple, they don't want you making blockbuster movies or platinum disc music albums anymore on their computers - their platform still survives basically for iOS development.

But then, who knows? Maybe I'm wrong, a naysayer, have no dog on this race, and Apple does the impossible and convinces every pundit in the industry that x86 is dead and ARM is the new PC revolution and only dinosaurs will stick to Linux-powered x86 relics... but I'm not holding my breath for that. Too bad AMD can't just buy Intel and opensource the x86 architecture to everybody :/

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