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    Posted on 19-03-22, 21:49
    Stirrer of Shit
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    What else?
    Chrome would go against the purpose of the project, Edge has already been taken out. Opera and whatever other browsers there exist would be far more controversial choices.


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    Posted on 19-03-22, 22:24
    Secretly, I'm Matvey Soloviev

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    What other choices? Opera is just Chrome by another name, has been for a while now. The way this is going we'll have only two browsers again: Chrome (including chromes-by-another-name Edge, Opera, Vivaldi...) and Firefox.

    Watch Mozilla make a critical error.
    Posted on 19-03-22, 23:23 (revision 2)
    Stirrer of Shit
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    Yeah, exactly. There isn't anything else but Chrome and Firefox, and out of those two Firefox is the prudent choice - regardless of what you think about Mozilla, if you ship Chrome in a privacy-focused "distro", you're probably not the brightest tool in the shed...

    But yeah, we're all fucked. The HTML5 spec is 1243 pages, with the last update (of the "Living Standard") on 2019-03-22 - three days ago. CSS I can't even count, because it's spread over a lot of HTML pages, but I hardly think it's any better. Then another 805 pages for ECMAScript.

    Firefox is 37 million LOC (across 43 languages), while the Linux kernel (including all drivers) clocks in at a measly 25 million. So you've got your work cut out for you.

    No sane person would want to implement all of this for free, knowing that it would take them years to get something usable, and nobody sees any reason to fund the development of another rendering engine except for those two.

    So yeah, our only hope is for some Terry Davis-type mad genius to start making one. Hopefully not in 640x480 VGA, but you take what you get.

    There is this one guy in Russia working on it, and that's the only attempt at a third-party engine I've ever seen [EDIT: not counting Servo, which is Mozilla-developed]. He does have a fully functioning HTML parser though, and it is much faster than anything else. According to his own benchmarks, about 10x faster than gumbo.

    Current Status of the Project

    Right at the moment, the project has the following components implemented:

    * MyHTML — HTML parser, manipulations with HTML Tree, encoding conversion, and so on. This is the basic project that Modest is based on.
    * MyCSS — CSS parser (Selectors, Values, Namespace, Property), getting resulting structures, С structures for further manipulation.
    * MyFONT — parser of .otf and .fft fonts. Getting metrics for glyphs: width, height, baseline, x-height, etc.
    * Finder — search and comparison of CSS and HTML
    * + much supplementary code

    At the moment, Modest can be used for:

    * Parsing and manipulations with HTML, CSS, Font
    * Search for HTML modes by CSS Selectors
    * Getting CSS properties defined in HTML node
    * and more

    At the moment, almost everything is ready for tree rendering (Render Tree, Layers). However, before I start to compute HTML, I have to stabilize the current code, find architectural bugs, and make general improvements. I think I will start making the rendering tree and layers in the very beginning of 2017.

    The current version is 0.0.6 - devel


    EDIT 2: Apparently he renamed it from Modest to Lexbor. You can see the roadmap here. 4/33. David vs. Goliath, only there's no slingshot.

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    Posted on 19-03-23, 04:24
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    Netsurf is a "lightweight browser" (though I haven't used it recently, and it's probably incompatible with much of the web).
    Posted on 19-03-23, 05:08
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    Posted by jimbo1qaz
    Netsurf is a "lightweight browser" (though I haven't used it recently, and it's probably incompatible with much of the web).
    So's Dillo.
    If you REALLY wanna get light, there's Links2. That's as light as it gets while still rendering images.

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    Posted on 19-03-23, 09:17 (revision 1)
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    Posted by sureanem
    Regarding Windows 10, I heard of this and would like to hear what someone who's more qualified thinks about it:
    Posted by https://ameliorated.info/
    Windows 10 AME (Ameliorated) - What Is This Project?

    Windows 10 AME aims at delivering a stable, non-intrusive yet fully functional build of Windows 10 to anyone, who requires the Windows operating system natively. Spyware systems, which are abundant in Windows 10 by default, have not been disabled using group policy, registry entries or various other workarounds – they have been entirely removed and deleted from the system, on an executable-level. This includes Windows Update, and any related services intended to re-patch the system via what is essentially a universal backdoor. Core applications, such as the included Edge web-browser, Windows Media Player, Cortana, as well as any appx applications, have also been successfully eliminated. The total size of removed files is about 2 GB.

    Great effort has been invested in maintaining the subsequent system’s stability, bug-free operation and user experience, as many of these removed services conflict with core Windows 10 features.

    It sounds too good to be true, and I have no idea how they're able to legally distribute it, but the core concept seems reasonable.

    What happens when you install a Cumulative Update for Windows 10? Does any of the removed stuff get reinstalled or is the update process smart enough to not do that? Or are you supposed to just never update your copy of Windows 10 and leave your system full of security holes and bugs?

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    Posted on 19-03-23, 09:46
    Custom title here

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    Posted by Nicholas Steel

    What happens when you install a Cumulative Update for Windows 10? Does any of the removed stuff get reinstalled or is the update process smart enough to not do that?

    They completely disabled Windows Update.

    Or are you supposed to just never update your copy of Windows 10 and leave your system full of security holes and bugs?
    That.

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    Posted on 19-03-23, 11:30
    Stirrer of Shit
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    Posted by Nicholas Steel

    What happens when you install a Cumulative Update for Windows 10? Does any of the removed stuff get reinstalled or is the update process smart enough to not do that? Or are you supposed to just never update your copy of Windows 10 and leave your system full of security holes and bugs?

    You don't, they ship updated versions since the updates need to get patched too.


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    Posted on 19-03-23, 21:25
    Custom title here

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    Instead of speculating on how wildly illegal a derivative work of Windows 10 is, I read the EULA(horror!).


    Aaaaand...


    Restrictions. The device manufacturer or installer and Microsoft reserve all rights (such as rights under intellectual property laws) not expressly granted in this agreement. For example, this license does not give you any right to, and you may not:

    ...

    (ii) publish, copy (other than the permitted backup copy), rent, lease, or lend the software;

    ...

    The license explicitly prohibits this, to the surprise of absolutely no one.



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    Posted on 19-03-24, 03:55 (revision 1)

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    Posted by CaptainJistuce
    Posted by Nicholas Steel

    What happens when you install a Cumulative Update for Windows 10? Does any of the removed stuff get reinstalled or is the update process smart enough to not do that?

    They completely disabled Windows Update.

    Or are you supposed to just never update your copy of Windows 10 and leave your system full of security holes and bugs?
    That.

    https://ameliorated.info/documentation.html#updates

    "may be in jeopardy"
    Posted on 19-03-24, 05:29 (revision 7)
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    I thought I'd try the dism /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup command and see how much space it'd free up on my system. It uses the classic Microsoft progress bar where it gets to 99% quickly and then sits there for decades (occasionally a second progress bar will appear that quickly goes from 0 to 100%). The programs intermittently hammering the CPU and SSD according to Task Manager.

    So far it's freed up at least 1GB of space. I assume it's erasing the installers for all the previously downloaded updates, removing my ability to uninstall the updates if desired.

    Edit: Now it's consuming all of the CPU and making Youtube videos stop rendering video... and now it completed. It freed up about 4GB's of space.

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    Posted on 19-03-24, 16:11
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    My take on the entire Windows 7/8.1 nagging bullshit:

    Sucks, but, if you want to keep running windows get on the fucking train. It's just going to be worse and worse from here on out.

    What, you don't like that? Sucks. Run Linux, BSD or OSX. Linux even allows for passthrough mode, allowing you to run Windows 10 in a VM for those two must-have applications you're still hooked on.

    You don't like that either? Perhaps ReactOS could be something for you then, though I doubt ReactOS will ever get the traction they need for mainstream support.

    Microsoft the lord of windows hath spoken, and thy lord tells thou to to windows 10, or keep behind as the land dries up. Those are thy options!

    On a more personal level, I feel for you, but trying to change things now is like trying to get Hillary elected for President in 2020. It ain't happening. Work from where you are not from how you want things to be.
    Posted on 19-03-24, 18:36
    Stirrer of Shit
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    Sucks, but, if you want to keep running windows get on the fucking train. It's just going to be worse and worse from here on out.

    In other words, exactly what Win 10 AME is aiming to do?

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    Posted on 19-03-24, 22:22
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    Posted by sureanem
    In other words, exactly what Win 10 AME is aiming to do?


    Oh, you still don't get it, you poor soul. :/

    If you run any Windows older than 10 at this point, Microsoft has you by the balls and squeezing hard. This is not opinion, this is well documented fact.

    AME won't get anywhere. It's a C&D lawsuit waiting to happen, since copyright law expressly forbids every redistribution and modification of Windows 10. You do not have a legal means of fixing the Windows telemetry. Your best bet if you want to stay in Windows land besides that is ReactOS, which will always play second fiddle to Windows.

    Sure you could do a whole lot of dodging and weaving, but running Windows 7 will soon be more painful than running NetBSD, and Windows 8.1 isn't far behind.
    Posted on 19-03-24, 22:53 (revision 1)
    Dinosaur

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    Windows XP went nowhere south of the border, just sayin'

    Being unsupported by every major AV solution, web browser, videogame, office suite, and pretty much anything of value hasn't stopped people from running XP. Banks still truck along with their IE6 intranet apps. The government still manages to get up and running those Compaq Evo pizzaboxes that couldn't even run any serious modern Linux distro with acceptable performance, and are hopeless with anything made past XP. For those people, "pain" is not just an option, but an acceptable tradeoff. I can see a similar fate for 7 or (God forbid!) 8.1.

    In my particular case, Windows still survives on this house due to games (which I don't even play) and hardware service tools (good luck tinkering with HDD firmware without those Very Expensive Soviet Tools, or their pirate Chinese knockoffs, some of those still recommending the use of a XP host just to not deal with UAC or driver signing annoyances). Aside of those niche usages, I'm a happy camper on my Debian setups.

    In any case, the era of personal computers is long gone, with or without Windows. Between streaming-for-everything and the switch from creation to consumption of contents, very few people (outside nerds and some business for whose change == money we can't/won't spend) cares about Windows versions going EOL :/

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    Posted on 19-03-25, 00:54
    Custom title here

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    Posted by wertigon


    AME won't get anywhere. It's a C&D lawsuit waiting to happen, since copyright law expressly forbids every redistribution and modification of Windows 10. You do not have a legal means of fixing the Windows telemetry.
    Copyright law in the US explicitly allows modification for personal use. Just not distribution of those modifications.

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    Posted on 19-03-25, 01:08
    Dinosaur

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    Shitlist this patch on your next WU visit: KB4493132
    https://support.microsoft.com/help/4493132/windows-7-update-kb4493132
    This is the "GET HERPES WINDOWS 10 OR DIE!" nagware patch that tells you that Win7 is sentenced to death, due next January.

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    Posted on 19-03-25, 04:18

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    Posted by CaptainJistuce
    Posted by wertigon


    AME won't get anywhere. It's a C&D lawsuit waiting to happen, since copyright law expressly forbids every redistribution and modification of Windows 10. You do not have a legal means of fixing the Windows telemetry.
    Copyright law in the US explicitly allows modification for personal use. Just not distribution of those modifications.

    Specifically it does not allow redistribution of modified materials. It doesn't forbid distribution of modification instructions (aside from DMCA related DRM circumvention stuff).
    Posted on 19-03-25, 05:47
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    Right. These guys could post scripts to do the modifications, and instructions. But they can't legally just put up a new Windows distro.

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    Posted on 19-03-25, 06:45

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    Posted by tomman
    Shitlist this patch on your next WU visit: KB4493132
    https://support.microsoft.com/help/4493132/windows-7-update-kb4493132
    This is the "GET HERPES WINDOWS 10 OR DIE!" nagware patch that tells you that Win7 is sentenced to death, due next January.

    Ironically this update has failed to install on my work PC for the last few days, so I just hid it.

    My current setup: Super Famicom ("2/1/3" SNS-CPU-1CHIP-02) → SCART → OSSC → StarTech USB3HDCAP → AmaRecTV 3.10
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