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Posted on 18-12-05, 21:55

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Now,if only Japan/Japanese were as honest regarding their WW2 past as Germany/Germans...
Posted on 18-12-06, 00:08

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From what I know about Japan, the modern population has put what happened during WW2 behind them. "The past is in the past" philosophy. It was a bad time, but it's in the past. No need to dwell on it. No modern Japanese participated in the conflicts, so it's not their concern. The older generations still tell the stories, but they too have moved on and gotten on with their lives. The American print of Shonen Jump did an article on it about a decade or so ago.

Honestly, it's a good lesson many groups could use in America, like many leftist and other radical groups trying to say one race was responsible for things like, for example, slavery, when nobody alive today, nor the accusers, owned slaves, were slaves, or participated in the slave trade, but the accusers want reparations as if that's going to fix anything non-existent.

As far as the immigration issue, I will say this. Countries have laws for a reason. To promote solidarity with the people and sovereignty as to the nations stance. Whether or not you agree or disagree with those laws, you should be mature enough to respect the laws of any nation you visit or wish to move to, as well as follow the rules of immigration, become a citizen, and assimilate to the society. There is no part of illegal that is legal on any term, even if you disagree with the terms or the ethics of it.

The current system is hard on people, but it's hard for a reason. It is designed to see how dedicated you are, and to show you that starting over in another country is no easy task. The bar is not set low to just allow anyone to succeed without merit or effort. The bar is set high to make you want to give 110% into things, to not only try harder, but to better yourself, not just for you, but for your family as well, so when you do get that paper and take that oath, you earned it and cherish it. It's not a lot to ask. People say "that's not fair", but what part of life for anyone isn't fair? Ask a cancer patience if life is fair. Ask the family of a person with Alzheimers-Demintia if they feel life is fair. If we as a society set the bar too low, what's the purpose of effort, trying harder, and finding success to grow stronger and develop? If you want fairness, then fairness is the equality of everyone to fail if they don't try. Fairness is everyone can die young if they don't take care of themselves and their health. Fairness is you can be homeless just like others if you don't want to work for a living and better yourself. Fail and fair have nearly identical spelling but you change one letter. Funny part is, in Japanese, due to how R and L can be substituted for each other, fail and fair are equal in meaning. Everyone can fail, but only those who try have a chance of succeeding. Think about that for 5 minutes.

I think in America, we've set the bar too damn low for too damn long. We have kids who are selfish brats who are lazy and want hand outs. We have people who don't want to do an honest days work and would rather feign a disability just to sit at home and watch TV and play video games all day. Yet we have people who are truly disabled who want to work, but can't due to doctors refusing to release them. We have young adults who are entering a job market that has no entry level positions and want even 2 years experiences even for what they term as entry level. We have kids studying useless topics in schools that don't even apply to real life situations. Sure a kid can do algebra, but can they balance a bank account or a check book? I see videos of kids who can't pump their own gas on Instagram, Youtube, and Snapchat. Kids who can't even use a rotary phone. Kids who can't even read cursive writing fonts. The bar is on the damn floor and nobody wants to pick it up.

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Posted on 18-12-06, 12:51 (revision 1)

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Well I disagree. I think countries should teach their own history, including and especially the darker parts of it. As far as I read, Japanese war crimes, like the rape of Nanking or unit 731's experiments and killings, are not really taught in Japanese schools like Germany teaches its own ww2 crimes extensively. To say, 'well I wasn't born,it's got nothing to do with me those were just my ancestors' is a way to weasel oneself out of the reality of history as the descendants of victims are still affected even today.

If nothing else, politically speaking, things like the Nanking Massacre denial is not doing any good for Sino-Japanese relations.
Posted on 18-12-21, 20:06 (revision 1)

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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/12/australia-passes-new-law-to-thwart-strong-encryption/


On Thursday, the Australian parliament approved a measure that critics say will weaken encryption in favor of law enforcement and the demands of government.
The new law, which has been pushed for since at least 2017, requires that companies provide a way to get at encrypted communications and data via a warrant process. It also imposes fines of up to A$10 million for companies that do not comply and A$50,000 for individuals who do not comply. In short, the law thwarts (or at least tries to thwart) strong encryption.

Companies who receive one of these warrants have the option of either complying with the government or waiting for a court order. However, by default, the orders are secret, so companies would not be able to tell the public that they had received one.


Oh and:
Apple previously decried Australian efforts: "Encryption is simply math."


Good on Australia for showing math who's boss.
Posted on 18-12-22, 20:18 (revision 3)

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Posted by james4591
From what I know about Japan, the modern population has put what happened during WW2 behind them. "The past is in the past" philosophy. It was a bad time, but it's in the past. No need to dwell on it. No modern Japanese participated in the conflicts, so it's not their concern. The older generations still tell the stories, but they too have moved on and gotten on with their lives. The American print of Shonen Jump did an article on it about a decade or so ago.


As it turns out, the people who benefit the most from "the past is in the past" are always the dominant group. History is weaponized via forgetfulness, via traditionalist thought and nostalgia for an age that never existed.

You blaming those who are younger than you is very clearly a sign of your own traditionalist thinking, as if using a rotary phone has anything to do with being a functional member of society today.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6myUwP3wPfs


Posted by DonJon
Well I disagree. I think countries should teach their own history, including and especially the darker parts of it. As far as I read, Japanese war crimes, like the rape of Nanking or unit 731's experiments and killings, are not really taught in Japanese schools like Germany teaches its own ww2 crimes extensively. To say, 'well I wasn't born,it's got nothing to do with me those were just my ancestors' is a way to weasel oneself out of the reality of history as the descendants of victims are still affected even today.

If nothing else, politically speaking, things like the Nanking Massacre denial is not doing any good for Sino-Japanese relations.

Japan was and is a deeply racist, deeply sexist nation, and a big part of that likely comes from their education system sugar-coating history for people. For some, "you can't know what you don't know" holds true, simply because it's very likely a history they were never made aware of. It's one of the most insulated nations and their own policies attempt to ensure that remains true into the foreseeable future.
Posted on 18-12-23, 14:44

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Ugh, that whole "past is the past" thing is such BS. They teach their children about all the bad things that happened to Japan in the WW2; but never acknowledge, let alone teach about anything bad they did in WW2. When I was teaching in JHS, the school trip was almost always to Kyoto and Nara, which meant a trip to the Atomic Dome in Hiroshima. I always had to grade papers about their trips and what they learnt about their "history". The biggest insults (even though I'm not American) were (and are still) chapters (in all five major textbooks) devoted to teaching English using this history. I would always ask my kids if they knew about anything famous like Pearl Harbour or the colonial rule of South Korea (not WW2, I know, but still relevant) and I swear that I only had one say yes in all those years. Whenever I would try to talk about the ANZAC tradition in Australia, someone would always try to shut me up in fear of getting in trouble themselves. The most amazing thing was having and adult friend tell me that they only learned of any of Japan's atrocities when a tour guide told them about in on a vacation in Australia and then it struck up a conversation where others admitted that they only learned of such things through the Internet or some other foreign medium. This stuff just isn't in the history books because the government has wanted to appear as the good guys for a very long time now.

As an Australian, I was taught about all the atrocities my settler colony (this is after the convicts) ancestors did to the Aborigines; how they tried to steal away their heritage, names and "outbreed" them and eventually steal children away from their families. I actually remember learning of rape from some historical movie I watched in Primary (Elementary) School involving the mistreatment of the Aborigines dating back to the convict colonies, which came as a more than a bit of a shock. The Stolen Generation history itself is a bit skewed in it's teaching, as it focuses purely on Aborigines. My mother (a white woman) was a part of the stolen generation who was put into foster care, as was her foster sibling (a woman I knew as my aunty). But, you can find out this information if you dig a bit.
Posted on 18-12-24, 10:17
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Posted by Kakashi
Ugh, that whole "past is the past" thing is such BS. They teach their children about all the bad things that happened to Japan in the WW2; but never acknowledge, let alone teach about anything bad they did in WW2. When I was teaching in JHS, the school trip was almost always to Kyoto and Nara, which meant a trip to the Atomic Dome in Hiroshima. I always had to grade papers about their trips and what they learnt about their "history". The biggest insults (even though I'm not American) were (and are still) chapters (in all five major textbooks) devoted to teaching English using this history. I would always ask my kids if they knew about anything famous like Pearl Harbour or the colonial rule of South Korea (not WW2, I know, but still relevant) and I swear that I only had one say yes in all those years. Whenever I would try to talk about the ANZAC tradition in Australia, someone would always try to shut me up in fear of getting in trouble themselves. The most amazing thing was having and adult friend tell me that they only learned of any of Japan's atrocities when a tour guide told them about in on a vacation in Australia and then it struck up a conversation where others admitted that they only learned of such things through the Internet or some other foreign medium. This stuff just isn't in the history books because the government has wanted to appear as the good guys for a very long time now.

As an Australian, I was taught about all the atrocities my settler colony (this is after the convicts) ancestors did to the Aborigines; how they tried to steal away their heritage, names and "outbreed" them and eventually steal children away from their families. I actually remember learning of rape from some historical movie I watched in Primary (Elementary) School involving the mistreatment of the Aborigines dating back to the convict colonies, which came as a more than a bit of a shock. The Stolen Generation history itself is a bit skewed in it's teaching, as it focuses purely on Aborigines. My mother (a white woman) was a part of the stolen generation who was put into foster care, as was her foster sibling (a woman I knew as my aunty). But, you can find out this information if you dig a bit.


America is pretty hit-and-miss on our owning up to our mistakes.
History classes go out of their way to remind us of how poorly we treated the indians as the nation expanded across the continent, and actually OVER-compensate and paint the civil war as being entirely and 100% exclusively about slavery(it was definitely the issue everyone could agree on, but not at all the only one).
But on the other hand most americans have no idea that, just as an example, we forcibly relocated japanese-americans to concentration camps during WW2. I grant that WW2 is also around where our US history classes start running out of time and shift into fast-forward, but IT IS KIND OF IMPORTANT.

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Posted on 18-12-24, 11:24 (revision 2)

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Posted by CaptainJistuce
America is pretty hit-and-miss on our owning up to our mistakes.
History classes go out of their way to remind us of how poorly we treated the indians as the nation expanded across the continent, and actually OVER-compensate and paint the civil war as being entirely and 100% exclusively about slavery(it was definitely the issue everyone could agree on, but not at all the only one).
But on the other hand most americans have no idea that, just as an example, we forcibly relocated japanese-americans to concentration camps during WW2. I grant that WW2 is also around where our US history classes start running out of time and shift into fast-forward, but IT IS KIND OF IMPORTANT.

I'd really prefer if they would start students in US high schools with Zinn's A People's History of the United States, but that's probably too much to ask.

One can safely assume the US government has no interest in empowering its people, given those currently running it.
Posted on 18-12-24, 18:02

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Posted by CaptainJistuce

But on the other hand most americans have no idea that, just as an example, we forcibly relocated japanese-americans to concentration camps during WW2. I grant that WW2 is also around where our US history classes start running out of time and shift into fast-forward, but IT IS KIND OF IMPORTANT.

They call them "internment" camps, not concentration camps, despite the fact that they were both interning and concentrating them. I would argue that it was more justified than the German version, because the motive was to keep all asians locked up where they couldn't cause any harm during the war, while the German motive was to lock them up so that they could do forced labor or be extinguished cleanly. Not that the political backing wasn't completely racist when you consider that almost no one locked up was an antagonist, and the threat was proportionately smaller than the reaction.
Posted on 18-12-25, 23:59

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The motive was actually stealing land from japanese-american farmers.
Posted on 18-12-26, 10:39

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Everyone was an asshole during the world wars or were just following the orders of another country. If anyone conveniently forgot history, they're still assholes. Racist assholes. Racism. It's everywhere. Still. I don't wanna talk about my experiences because it'll just make me rant like I have a 6-character nick in all lower-case...
Posted on 18-12-26, 11:14
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Posted by Kakashi
Everyone was an asshole during the world wars or were just following the orders of another country. If anyone conveniently forgot history, they're still assholes. Racist assholes. Racism. It's everywhere. Still. I don't wanna talk about my experiences because it'll just make me rant like I have a 6-character nick in all lower-case...

A lot of people lucked out in WW2, because Hitler turned out to be so damn good at being an asshole that everyone else's offenses were really easy to sweep under the rug.

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Posted on 19-01-09, 09:57

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Posted by "talbain"
As it turns out, the people who benefit the most from "the past is in the past" are always the dominant group. History is weaponized via forgetfulness, via traditionalist thought and nostalgia for an age that never existed.

You blaming those who are younger than you is very clearly a sign of your own traditionalist thinking, as if using a rotary phone has anything to do with being a functional member of society today.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6myUwP3wPfs


Another Tim Wise fan I see.That's one of his better lectures

I found the older,born in the early-mid 80s gen, is often much worse than younger generations in their early-mid 20s.A lot of edgy trolls with nothing going on and it's often worse than traditionalist thinking but downright willful ignorance that permeates how they think. I think you're right about the nostalgia for an age that they never even knew or even existed for that matter.As someone who's part Jewish it horrifies me to see Europe and USA to a lesser degree I'd argue embracing far right ideology.

Japan was and is a deeply racist, deeply sexist nation, and a big part of that likely comes from their education system sugar-coating history for people. For some, "you can't know what you don't know" holds true, simply because it's very likely a history they were never made aware of. It's one of the most insulated nations and their own policies attempt to ensure that remains true into the foreseeable future.


True.Japan has also seen a rise in nationalism.

I'd really prefer if they would start students in US high schools with Zinn's A People's History of the United States, but that's probably too much to ask.

One can safely assume the US government has no interest in empowering its people, given those currently running it.


Yeah unfortunately countries like Germany are,when it comes to teaching their history in the minority,I don't single out the US in that regard because most of Europe do the same,as does Japan
Posted on 19-01-09, 11:35

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I honestly think that people that think that there are few countries that are open about their history when educating are in the minority because everyone's flipping tables over the countries that don't.....and that's unfortunate, I guess.
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Clearly, Trump only wants this dumb wall so he has some sort of monument to himself.

So the Democrats should offer to provide the funding with the stipulation that it be called “The Idiot’s Wall.” When he inevitably refuses he can’t deny just how shallow his true motive is. If it’s really an emergency, it doesn’t matter what it’s called, right?
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Beto O’Rourke’s secret membership in America’s oldest hacking group

TL;DR: Presidential Candidate Beto O'Rourke was a member of the the Cult of the Dead Cow, a group probably most famous for releasing the Back Orifice and Back Orifice 2000 "remote administration" tools to highlight the security flaws in Windows 95-XP. It's also credited with coining the terms "31337" and "hacktivism".

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• When he was younger, he was arrested on drunk-driving charges and played in a punk band. Now 46, he still skateboards.

How do you do, fellow kids?

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Posted on 19-03-18, 20:24
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Posted by https://twitter.com/Telstra_news/status/1107526963583844353

We've started temporarily blocking a number of sites that are hosting footage of Friday’s terrorist attack in Christchurch. We understand this may inconvenience some legitimate users of these sites, but these are extreme circumstances and we feel this is the right thing to do.

According to a Reddit thread, that would be 4chan, 8chan, Voat, Bitchute, and Zerohedge.

Man, it sure feels great when a monopoly ISP blocks websites on completely arbitrary grounds. Good luck getting the free market to fix that one for you.

Oh well, it's fine, they can't block all the encrypted VPNs. It's like nailing Jello to a wall, right?

First they came for the socialistspirates...

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There's a number of things I don't like about this:

- I don't like dumb pipes trying to act smart: Clever algorithms like filtering belong at the edges of the network, on devices users control, not in the network itself that users have to share.
- It's too late: the problem is that people go looking for that stuff, it doesn't matter so much whether or not they find it.

I *guess* it makes sense in that if it's difficult to get access to this stuff, fewer shock videos will get made from it, and less material to radicalise impressionable youths. But then, the Streisand Effect...

It's worth pointing out that Telstra *isn't* a monopoly ISP, though. Sure, they're the biggest, but also the most expensive. I expect most people trying to visit those sites over Telstra would be teenagers living with their parents.

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