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Posted on 19-05-10, 18:48 in Board feature requests/suggestions

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Does the database have an index on post ID? If not, that could be it. It doesn't seem like the other boards on this domain have the same issue, and I'm assuming the code is very similar.
Correct on both counts -- they are indexed on post ID, and the all boards on this server are variations on the same ABXD codebase.

Are the database schemata entirely identical, then?

Also, what's up with the version numbers? If I refresh the main page, the version number changes!

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sureanem	Posted on 19-05-10, 19:59 in Board feature requests/suggestions Hi.
Stirrer of Shit Post: #262 of 717 Since: 01-26-19 Last post: 1546 days Last view: 1545 days	Maybe you could open up the query profiler or whatever they call it and see what's going on inside. But it seems to have stopped now. So no reason to do anything, really. There was a certain photograph about which you had a hallucination. You believed that you had actually held it in your hands. It was a photograph something like this.

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Posted on 19-05-10, 20:21 in Anticipating near future [politics]

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Leaving the issue of countries aside for a moment, it holds true for parties. There are very few left-authoritarian parties post-Cold War, and very few right-liberal (for Americans: right-libertarian) parties since I don't know when, 19th century?

So really, that's just one dimension masquerading as two. If you go to one of the leading purveyors of this claim, like politicalcompass.org, you can see this graph:
https://politicalcompass.org/uk2017
It's just a straight line, and the only significant deviance is from regional parties.

Russia funds both sides and doesn't have any ideological goals in doing so (anymore), just the destabilization of NATO and friends. There are also some historical reasons for it. After the fall of the Soviet Union, their handlers kept on working for the same agency, and they didn't see any reason to stop shelling out a few roubles in exchange for a quite significant influence.

But I don't think you can analyze them from an ideological POV because it's fundamentally not about ideology.

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sureanem	Posted on 19-05-10, 20:23 in Board feature requests/suggestions Hi.
Stirrer of Shit Post: #264 of 717 Since: 01-26-19 Last post: 1546 days Last view: 1545 days	Page rendered in 1.025 seconds with 27 MySQL queries. Or maybe not. There was a certain photograph about which you had a hallucination. You believed that you had actually held it in your hands. It was a photograph something like this.

sureanem	Posted on 19-05-10, 20:29 in Anticipating near future [politics] Hi.
Stirrer of Shit Post: #265 of 717 Since: 01-26-19 Last post: 1546 days Last view: 1545 days	Russia is right-authoritarian, anyway. Low taxes, low spending. And the authoritarian part is hardly controversial. But their funding of parties has little to do with this. There was a certain photograph about which you had a hallucination. You believed that you had actually held it in your hands. It was a photograph something like this.

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Posted on 19-05-10, 20:30 in Games You Played Today REVENGEANCE

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rant about app dissapearing due to greed, basically what would have happened to our beloved lucas arts games if they werent illegally pirate it...

on the Gaming preservation, hows the scene of java powered applets on old phones that soported it? i remember playing an promotional port of age of empires 3 on an old sony-ericsson, some sort of gta I clone, and some small metroidvanias <3

You can download such games from torrent websites, so I imagine our #1 modern preservation enthusiasts have got that problem solved.

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Posted on 19-05-11, 01:27 in Games You Played Today REVENGEANCE (revision 1)

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AFAIK there is no preservation project aimed at cellphone games of ANY era, much less from the pre-iPhone/Android age.

Noone really cared about cellphone games in the early dumbphone era. Just imagine all those sophisticated Japanese i-mode games that are now lost forever because there simply was no cellphone app piracy scene in Japan (or even a homebrew scene, for that matter). Western J2ME was a low-hanging fruit, but even then noone gave a damn :/

They still seem to be preserved.

Then there is the issue that, just like BREW, J2ME games were mostly phone-specific.

Does that hurt preservation? It seems like complaining that you have all the SNES ROMs but no emulator. You're in no hurry to perfect that adapter, as long as you have what else it takes.

Gameloft's Block Breaker Deluxe 2, Glu/Sony LocoRoco Hi

Those were easy to find. I'm not sure I can post links, but a quick google search for "locoroco hi" download gives you appropriate results.

There's also (poorly seeded) torrents with lots of games and no organization. Try btdig, torrentz2, and rutracker/tparse. I suppose it's free to chuck a few dozen info hashes into the client and wait to see if anyone starts to download.

Also, for archaic stuff, you can try archaic file sharing networks. I was able to find an user sharing just shy of 4000 .jar files, of which most (all?) seemed to be mobile games.

As for the Japanese games, have you tried their file-sharing networks? They work like the old ones ("share entire downloads dir") and not like torrents ("pls seed"), right?

If you wished to create such a project, you have a golden opportunity with your unique regulatory situation and all. But it seems like it's all there, if not very well organized. On the other hand, file-sharing networks fade fast, so it might be a good idea to obsessively download everything and dump it somewhere, like the Internet Archive.

EDIT: As for i-mode, I found this:
https://assemblergames.com/threads/project-i-mode-ezweb-to-preserve-the-dying-unpreservable.56933/

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sureanem	Posted on 19-05-11, 18:28 in Board feature requests/suggestions Hi.
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Posted on 19-05-11, 22:53 in Board feature requests/suggestions

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How come the forum software isn't open-source? I don't mean to demand that you open it up or anything, but it'd be easier to make and accept contributions if one knew what the code looked like and could send in patches proper, than to have to bug someone else (e.g. Kawa) to implement it. It could still be copyrighted and everything, like shared-source software.

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Posted on 19-05-12, 01:03 in Games You Played Today REVENGEANCE

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Oh, you live in Venezuela too? My condolences. But it's definitely interesting that 3.3% of the members here are Venezuelan.

Yeah, probably it would be best to administer it from VE and use a Venezuelan domain, but host at least the bulk of the content elsewhere (torrent, Internet Archive). Then you could use international fiat currency (not going to suggest crypto) without having to do black market exchange, which apparently is very difficult.

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Posted on 19-05-12, 01:14 in Anticipating near future [politics]

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I don't think it's a joke that he funds them. In his case, the reasons are a bit complicated and probably best not to discuss in polite conversation. But the goal is the same, to destabilize the host nations.

Trump has given up, which was the price he had to pay for the Russia investigation people going easy on him. He did a few policy 180°'s just days before being exonerated, that couldn't possibly have been a coincidence. He'll probably try to do something closer to "generic Republican" for 2020, talking about socialism etc, and presumably lose.

His only hope is China trade war, or possibly war with Iran - for the latter, he can get almost 100% backing of the political establishment, but presumably they'll want to get rid of him when they're done using him.

Iran has been a geopolitical actor for long, funding Hezbollah and stuff.

Russia and china going to keep their ways, paying people and showing themselves as great nations against imperialism, whilst basically doing soft imperialism/70's backyard diplomacy around the third world

Yeah, I agree. In some cases they don't even bother hiding it (see: China colonizing Africa).

Israel has an (almost) infinitely large source of funds, so they're not getting ruined any time soon. For them it's ostensibly self-defense, though. Somewhere between that and Manifest Destiny.

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sureanem	Posted on 19-05-12, 01:20 in Board feature requests/suggestions Hi.
Stirrer of Shit Post: #272 of 717 Since: 01-26-19 Last post: 1546 days Last view: 1545 days	Yeah, but you said you did lots of internal changes and stuff. What about symlinking some other folder (e.g. /abxdsrc) to /bboard, then set it to not execute PHP and enable file listings? Or would that spoil secret tokens/salts? There was a certain photograph about which you had a hallucination. You believed that you had actually held it in your hands. It was a photograph something like this.

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Posted on 19-05-12, 13:09 in Games You Played Today REVENGEANCE

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Posted by tomman
Fair warning: EZweb = BREW (KDDI au is CDMA, thus their cellphones are Qualcomm-based by force), hence undumpable.

What does this mean? According to the Wikipedia page, they just include some digital signature, so an emulator could ignore this without having to crack any actual DRM.

Also, didn't knew i-mode games could stop working if your phone didn't had an active service (I already expected DRM/crypto, but this is completely nuts). I DO know that Softbank locks out pretty much every cool feature on their phones (except for making calls) if they don't have an active Softbank SIM card - this is better known as "multimedia lock", ensuring that your phone only works as a PHONE (and nothing else) if you're not chained to an active phone service. Gross.

I don't think this is a big issue. Data was expensive back in the day, right? So there's no need to waste it getting a key each time you want to play. So probably, what they did was just to check if the phone reported a connection, and then it would be up to the provider to lock up the phone if they wanted to.
Likewise, there shouldn't be too much encryption. These were real puny CPUs, US crypto had export restrictions, and AES was only standardized in late 2001. I strongly doubt cellphone manufacturers were using what was then bleeding-edge military-grade crypto without hardware acceleration. If anything, maybe DES (56-bit), RC4 (40-bit), or something weaker (40-bit, presumably). Perhaps even home-rolled.
So the only issue ought to be preserving the .jars, the rest can come later.
Also, far from all of them did this:

Some games needed a Web connection but most were stored on the phone or SD card and could work just fine without any network. The problem with Japanese phones of that time is while they were years ahead of the West they became nothing more than a paper weight once the phone contract had ended. They just lock up. You can't even use the camera, TV or radio on them. The only thing that works is the clock and alarm.

(emphasis added)

According to the thread, there's commercial emulation of some of the games ("Appli Archives") for PSM and PS Vita. So you can just get those through the, uh, conventional channels.

And you can back up encrypted versions of the phone storage ".sb1" files. You have Perfect Dark, right? Try searching for .sb1 and see if you find anything but porn. Otherwise you could ask on 5ch for someone to share a backup if you speak Japanese.

See https://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/english/binary/pdf/support/trouble/manual/download/sh06a/SH-06A_E_16.pdf for more information about folder structure. (pg. 27/345)

http://midorigame-ferret.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2018/03/docomo-f0b7.html - some notes
http://fj800511.la.coocan.jp/docomo/index.htm - this guy tried to reverse engineer it, I think
maybe contact him at

, if you're lucky

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Posted on 19-05-12, 13:35 in Games You Played Today REVENGEANCE

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http://www.4centity.com/document.aspx?doc=a6d3ab2d-fe8b-41e3-bb30-02101ca53276 - this might be what they use for DRM - filenames ("SD_BIND") match, but some other details of their filesystem don't. They seem to use some magic SD card stuff though, which matches up with the details in the thread

The encryption algorithm is C2_ECBC (the C2 cipher algorithm in C-CBC mode)

The decryption algorithm is C2_DCBC (the C2 cipher algorithm in C-CBC mode)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptomeria_cipher
It uses 56-bit keys, but mystery meat S-boxes. Can be cracked, anyway. So the important thing would be to secure the backups.

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Posted on 19-05-12, 14:03 in Games You Played Today REVENGEANCE

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https://www11.atwiki.jp/gundamwar/pages/749.html

Here you can find some .sb1 files.

There's a short header, then zeroes, then the encrypted content starts at offset 0x1000 (4096). Ent says it's random, so I'm pretty sure it's encrypted and not, say, compressed.


$ xxd 00000001.SB1 | head -n 8 #57001 bytes
00000000: 0501 0c0b 034d 4854 0108 d2b0 d990 dd92  .....MHT........
00000010: e800 0f01 010e 10a5 3778 c5d9 02c5 fb3a  ........7x.....:
00000020: a881 6bd6 77f3 d604 08d2 b0d9 90dd 92e8  ..k.w...........
00000030: 00c9 0400 000c b2ca 0400 0010 00cb 0400  ................
00000040: 00c1 62cc 0400 001c b240 0432 2e30 000a  ..b......@.2.0..
00000050: 1432 3031 302d 3034 2d31 3954 3137 3a31  .2010-04-19T17:1
00000060: 323a 3330 5a0c 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000  2:30Z...........
00000070: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000  ................
$ xxd 00000003.SB1 | head -n 8 #356867 bytes
00000000: 0501 000b 0333 4750 0113 82bd 82be 82cc  .....3GP........
00000010: 894a 815e 97ac 82b5 82cc 4179 000f 0101  .J.^......Ay....
00000020: 0e10 4b1a 8cc8 4209 445e bd9e ac88 c5d7  ..K...B.D^......
00000030: cbd6 0304 0000 0000 0414 82bd 82be 82cc  ................
00000040: 894a 815e 97ac 82b5 82cc 4179 7500 0614  .J.^......Ayu...
00000050: 6176 6578 206d 6172 6b65 7469 6e67 2049  avex marketing I
00000060: 6e63 2e00 0702 2000 0802 2000 0901 003c  nc.... ... ....<
00000070: 0103 0c00 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000  ................

Not sure about what's going on at the end. Because the header always starts at the same offset, but the size of the encrypted chunk isn't an integer number of blocks.

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Posted on 19-05-12, 15:21 in Cellphone software preservation

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-If the encryption block is 8 bytes or more, the encryption block is encrypted using C-CBC mode. The last residual block, if it is less than 8 bytes, is not encrypted

Well, that settles that. I'm not sure if they're using 64-bit blocks (most likely) or 64-byte blocks (512-bit blocks), which seems completely absurd but is what the standard explicitly says:

The size X of each encryption block other than last encryption block is calculated by the following formula referring to the Encryption Block Size Factor E.
X=64*2^E (bytes), E=0, ..., 5
The size of the last encryption block is equal to X or less.

The specification is poorly written, but what I think they're using is "Encrypted object file (with unencrypted header) with residual data block (N=X*n+m+q, m<X, m=8*p, q<8)" (Table 3-7).

I can't find anything about the header format, though. Maybe that's for the underlying application to decide. I think so, based on the following passage:

* If the header part exists, the Unencrypted Header Size Factor H of the optional unencrypted header shall be specified in the corresponding Title Key & Usage Rule Entry of the encrypted object file and shall be used to decrypt the encrypted SD-Binding object file. The size Y of the optional unencrypted header is calculated by the following formula:
Y= 64*2^(H-1) (bytes), H=1, ..., 13

In other words, the Japanese encrypted cell phone backups might be completely different. But it should still be C2, so you could bruteforce it with a modern computer. That's the only way, unless you find some other flaw (e.g. how to read the protected area on an SD card)

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Posted on 19-05-12, 16:03 in Cellphone software preservation

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the .sb1 crypto remains uncracked as of today

The crypto in itself should be relatively easy to crack (in theory, just implementation work), but the format is otherwise undocumented.

Also, .sb1 files aren't self-contained. They store the actual keys in the "protected area" of the SD card, which in turn requires some special sauce to access. Essentially, you can issue the read and write commands freely, but:

Posted by http://read.pudn.com/downloads188/ebook/881633/SD%203.0/Part_3_Security_Specification_Ver3.00_Final_090612.pdf

The (essential) argument of this command as shown below is transferred securely in AKE command (ACMD45) (See Note (2)).

(2) In AKE command (ACMD45), Challenge1 (random number RN1) is generated by encrypting an
(essential) argument of the following “Protected Area Access Command” (shown in Table 2-2). SD Memory Card gets the (essential) argument of the following “Protected Area Access Command” by decrypting received Challenge1. Regarding the generation method of Challenge1, please see 3.2.1 of Content Protection for Recordable Media Specification SD Memory Card Book.

There is no 3.2.1. There is however a 3.4.1.

There, it says that you pass a challenge from the card and the "Media Unique Key" into something called C2_G to pass the SD card's authentication.

How do you get the Media Unique Key? Easy, you pass the Media Key and the Media ID into C2_G. What is the Media ID? Not sure, but you can get it from the SD card. I don't think it's supposed to be secret. And what is the Media Key? Easy, you just process the MKB (Media Key Block, public) with the Device Key.

How do you process it? You pass the applicable Device Key and MKB into Process_MKB, which is defined in Chapter 3 of "Content Protection for Prerecorded Media Specification: Introduction and Common Cryptographic Elements". And that's just C2 decryption and some parsing.

Since C2 decryption is broken, you should be able to get the applicable Device Key (number 11), and then make quick work of the SD card dumping. You'd distribute a pre-packaged application that decrypts any SD card with backups on it you insert. On Linux, you can send raw commands, no idea about Windows but I'd think so.

But it seems much easier to just brute force the ultimate encryption key whenever you want to decrypt a backup than to re-implement some half-baked Japanese DRM scheme. It also makes it easier to dump ('copy this file and upload', vs 'download this program, run it, insert SD, upload the file it saves'), which should be a priority given the lack of enthusiasm they have for preservation.

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Posted on 19-05-12, 17:13 in Cellphone software preservation (revision 4)

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Here's all the specifications: http://www.4centity.com/specification.aspx

The 2008 paper needs arbitrary keys to work, so not applicable.

The 2009 paper's third attack (Key and S-box recovery with chosen ciphertext attack) is what I'm talking about. I think it should be possible to force it to encrypt a specific file (like an image or video, since people apparently had trouble getting those out of the phone), so then you could get the S-boxes that way. And with the S-box known, conventional bruteforce should be fast enough, especially with the GPU. You have some unencrypted homebrew apps (see forum thread) you could take a look at to get an idea of what the first 8 bytes should look like.

But it'd be a lot of implementation work, that's for sure.

EDIT: No, you need to need to get it to decrypt a specific encrypted blob. There's no checksum or anything, so that should be easy, but you need to dump it out of the phone somehow too. Which requires exploits, I presume. Or maybe you can sideload arbitrary J2ME apps onto it as well that can read e.g. camera videos?

EDIT 2: I don't see anything about rate limiting in the SD card spec, so maybe you could brute force the MUK, and then work your way backwards to ~~K_mu~~ the device key. Or, you can ask it to decrypt an arbitrary 64-bit block with the MUK (K_mu) and then return C2_G(K_mu, C2_D(your value)), so that's another possible avenue, assuming C2_D isn't prohibitively expensive. But you still need their mystery meat S-box for all that, which means the requirement for an exploit is still there.

EDIT 3: If it's not rate-limited, you could brute force K_mu by first accepting the SD card's challenge, then trying to verify a constant/random value. If it succeeds, you know that C2_G(K_mu, chall) == your guess. Then you can brute force K_mu offline. But we can't actually do anything just by knowing K_mu, because we don't have the S-box. And we can't brute-force this, because the S-box is 2048 bits. If we could encrypt with an arbitrary key, we could recover the S-box that way, but just known key doesn't really seem to be useful.

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Posted on 19-05-12, 20:35 in Cellphone software preservation

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It's even worse than I thought:

The one-way function result is calculated as
C2_G(d_1, d_2) = C2_E(d_1, d_2) ⊕ d_2.

So that, too, requires the S-box.

And apparently, the flowchart is lying. Because the SD card wants you to go first, only then will it authenticate itself to you. So you can't use that to make it compute C2_G(arbitrary, K_mu) for you without you yourself being able to already do that. Maybe you could craft a fake SD card that tries to bait the accessing device into doing it or do MITM, but that's just theoretical.

Also, it doesn't actually return C2_D of anything, it returns C2_G. So you don't have a decryption oracle either.

If you had either an encryption or decryption oracle, you could recover the S-box which makes everything else more or less trivial.

Also, yay, more contradictions:

Each K_mu is 56-bit value and is pre-computed by the manufacturer based on each Media Key and the Media ID using the C2-Oneway function. Here, each Media Key is assigned by the 4C Entity, LLC, and is unique for each application group defined by the SD Association. Figure 3-2 shows the procedure of the Media Unique Key calculation. As shown in Figure 3-2, each Media Unique Key (K_mu) is calculated as
K_mu =[C2_G (Media Key, Media ID)]_{lsb_56}.

However, elsewhere in the standard it says the Media Key is derived from the MKB. That sounds more reasonable, though.

Looking on the bright side, there is one thing: The reference implementation (see "C2 Block Cipher Specification, Revision 1.0, January 1, 2003") is written in C, so most likely it's stored in software/NAND and not burned into a chip. In other words, it's at least theoretically possible to extract it without decap. At any rate, one would need to reverse engineer Japanese phones.

Is it possible to download firmware updates from somewhere other than OTA?

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Posted on 19-05-12, 23:54 in Cellphone software preservation (revision 1)

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It's not for playing games. ~~Do you know if those phones support SD cards and making encrypted backups to SD?~~ If so, they should have the same S-boxes ("secret constant") as used for all the other backups ("unique per application", as in SD-Binding), which should enable you to decrypt the backups without much trouble, even without the original SD card.

That is, unless it's hidden in a TPM, or on a lower level than the firmware update can encompass, or in whatever microcontroller interacts with the SD card, or the firmware is encrypted with yet another key, etc.

S-box inside SD microcontroller seems likely, but I would think that the OS needs it too, since the backups seem to be done with awareness of individual apps and so.

EDIT: Whoops, my reading comprehension isn't the best. But yeah, it's definitely worth a shot, so please upload them somewhere.

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