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 Re: SNES Hardware Revisions
Though the car is a lot less likely to kill you after you turn it off and disconnect the power. The CRT is, sadly, STILL likely to unleash Zeus' wrath upon you afterwards if you mess up.

And no matter how enticing that little suction cup on the side of the tube is, LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE.

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2016-01-21 12:11
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Braintrash wrote:
And both can kill you instantly.

There was an Apple certification test with an eliminatory question about that; said question being added after some technicians died putting their finger on the wrong places, after not following basic security steps.


I admit to one time my pinky brushed across a live 1000v terminal on the neck board. It 'popped' my pinky away from the board and burnt some of the skin black.


2016-01-21 13:55

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My point was that arcade monitors have configuration pots right on the board, which helps deal with variation that can creep in as you replace parts, as well as including schematics and BoMs right in the owners manual. Those docs are very hard to find for consumer sets, including broadcast monitors. Furthermore, the flybacks of arcade monitors are relatively cheap and easy to find ($40 shipped from twisted quarter for my Neotec's), since they go out a lot. In contrast, I haven't been able to find any info on or suppliers for replacement flybacks for either of my broadcast monitors (and my PVM's flyback seems a little weird with the focus pot broken out onto another board and no screen pot readily visible).


2016-01-21 16:03
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Braintrash wrote:
panzeroceania wrote:
That's like saying all consoles are the same because they all have ICs mounted on PCBs


Guess you just don't like to admit when you make a mistake.
Then, go ahead, I don't mind.


Is that what you say when you don't know how to reply? I honestly can't tell if you're just trolling, or really that ignorant. Let me simplify it for you

This:

http://www.arcade-museum.com/manuals-mo ... r%2002.pdf

is not the same as this:

http://www.alangordon.com/beta/wp-conte ... manual.pdf

or this:

http://www.curtpalme.com/docs/SonyG90_Install.pdf

The electronics are different, the physical design is different. They're NOT interchangeable, no matter how hard you try you can't put a square peg in a round hole.


2016-01-21 17:56

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Please stop playing dumb, you know exactly what I mean, you just try to deviate the debate to prove I'm wrong.
So, I rest my case, go ahed, I don't care.

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2016-01-21 21:41

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panzeroceania wrote:
The electronics are different, the physical design is different. They're NOT interchangeable, no matter how hard you try you can't put a square peg in a round hole.


To be fair, it is entirely possible to swap the CRT from a standard TV into an arcade monitor chassis. You just have to make sure it's the same CRT type as the one you are replacing, and check to see if the yoke is compatible with the new chassis or if you will have to swap the yoke from the old tube. If you do, setting the convergence can be rather annoying.


2016-01-22 02:38
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Braintrash wrote:
Please stop playing dumb, you know exactly what I mean, you just try to deviate the debate to prove I'm wrong.
So, I rest my case, go ahed, I don't care.

Actually, based on conversation in IRC, he genuinely thought you said "all CRTs are physically and electrically identical"

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2016-01-22 03:41
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Caedhros wrote:
panzeroceania wrote:
The electronics are different, the physical design is different. They're NOT interchangeable, no matter how hard you try you can't put a square peg in a round hole.


To be fair, it is entirely possible to swap the CRT from a standard TV into an arcade monitor chassis. You just have to make sure it's the same CRT type as the one you are replacing, and check to see if the yoke is compatible with the new chassis or if you will have to swap the yoke from the old tube. If you do, setting the convergence can be rather annoying.



100% agree on that.


2016-01-22 04:08

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Could someone explain this Byuu quote that has been making the internet rounds in the past few years:

Quote:
From what I know, we've only ever observed 1/1/1 and 2/1/3, although I seem to recall someone saying they've seen another... if so, it's exceptionally rare. And unfortunately the chip version numbers are no longer enough. Nintendo stopped incrementing the revision numbers after they eliminated the separate APU module. The 1-chip may well have minor differences from the 2-chip, but I do not know for certain if that is the case. What I do know is that the Super Famicom Jr / SNES Mini is listed as 2/1/3, but is honestly more of a clone system. There are "drastic" changes. Not so much stuff that's going to affect most games directly, but stuff that tells you the chip is radically different on the inside. Things like the SMP Timer Glitch vanishing, different behaviors of the TEST register, some DSP subtleties, the PPU being entirely different, and mid-scanline effects are totally different which affects games like A.S.P. Air Strike Patrol where the plane's shadow is almost invisible.


In most places, only a part of this post is quoted (starts at "there are drastic changes") and as such what is actually said here is taken out of context to make it seem like Byuu is talking about BOTH the 1CHIP and the Jr / Mini, however when you are looking at the full quote, Byuu is clearly only referring to the Jr / Mini, although I am not understanding why Byuu says this as based on most hearsay online and this https://console5.com/wiki/SNES , is that the only difference between the 1CHIP and the Mini is the removal of the U11 chip: Image

Could the mere removal of the U11 chip make the Mini a "clone"?

And what does 1/1/1 and 2/1/3 mean?


2017-11-22 23:02
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That was an old comment. My testing at that time did not include a large console 1CHIP system. It appears the large console 1CHIP revisions are much more like the SNES Mini than I had previously realized.

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