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Posted on 19-04-03, 16:48 in Mozilla, *sigh* (revision 1)
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Posted by sureanem
Man, fuck email. ONE JOB, delivering messages, and it can't do it well. At this point, it's just some kind of interop protocol for gmail and friends, since they shitlist most other email providers except for the big ones. Don't even send them to spam, just silently drop their emails without notice. To make matters even worse, email nowadays just means any long-form message (e.g. not IM) sent via a computer/smartphone. "I emailed him about it on Facebook" is a completely valid thing to say.

I'm pretty much sure that a Silly Valley startup already has a $200M VC-funded app for that™. But it will only work on smartdevices (not on Real Computers), will siphon your private data to China/the NSA/FSB/Jeff Bezos secretary, and will go out of business as soon as they splurge their 4th funding round in hookers and Lamborghinis. Either that or Google will buy them just to drop the axe on them after 3 months.

Posted by sureanem
That nobody came up with the idea of requiring a captcha for each message (rather than just account creation) boggles the mind. That would make your service completely useless to spammersanyone but hardcore nerds, while still allowing senders to remain anonymous to everybody but China/the NSA/FSB/Jeff Bezos secretary.

FTFY.

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Posted on 19-04-03, 16:55 in Surprisingly popular software (revision 2)
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Posted by neptronix
I used to write frontends for super nintendo and neo geo emulators back in the mid to late 90's. The interface for NeoRage was based on my front end and SNeeSE ripped off some of my art from my homepage. But i never got any positive feedback until i said i was done writing frontends.

It is pretty hard to find out what would be popular or useful or who appreciates your work. The more people get overloaded and distracted on the net due to social media and such, the less feedback you get. Nowadays there is a lack of contact information on a lot of pages and you can't send someone a love note.

I really think that git hub / git lab should have some kind of way to shout encouragement and thanks at programmers rather than just starring things or submitting issues. Cuz it's nice to get some love or at least feedback.


I used to write localizations (translations) for emulators, the most popular one being the VisualBoy Advance Spanish DLL.

Once or (maybe) twice a year, I still receive greetings from random people that used my translation (as my email address is prominently displayed at the README and about dialog). Either that or kids asking me "I can't Pokeymanz RAWMz". Yes, that still happens too.

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Posted on 19-04-04, 05:45 in Dear modern UXtards...
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Also: "IE8 does not support it" was a reason of why everybody stuck to jQuery.

IE is now dead, and nobody has reasons to keep support for IE8 nowadays. I've been using querySelectorAll since I learned the only IE8 user I had was a unfortunate accident (it only happened once, and it was due to a faulty 3G stick, it seems)

I've never had a reason to use jQuery, really. Even despite being the default StackOverflow choice for every JS question, no matter how trivial is it. Sure, some stuff require quite verbose JS snippets, and for very sophisticated applications you kinda need to bring 3rd-party libs, but think about it for a moment: if you're not coding the next Silly Valley "instant messaging" platform which brings an octa-core PC to its knees, why in the hell you do need too elaborate scripts? You only need AJAX (I admit you simply can't live without it nowadays - it's a complete waste to reload the entire page just for updating data in a label) and basic DOM manipulation - not hijacking core UI features for fancy animations and other UXtarded junk!

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Posted on 19-04-06, 11:57 in Mozilla, *sigh*
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Posted by Screwtape
Or at least, they could. Apparently, Safari and Chrome have both removed the ability to turn off link auditing, which I find mystifying since it seems to me like the whole point of adding this to HTML was to lure websites into doing link auditing client-side where it can be controlled. Firefox, on the other hand, has supported link auditing since 2006, and had it disabled by default since 2008.


Google is an advertising company. Apple claims not to be an advertising company but sure enough they do behave as one too (as long as you keep buying into their ecosystem). What's not to expect from them?

More reasons to NOT use Chrome and/or own iDevices then.

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Posted on 19-04-07, 02:11 in State of the Dreamcast emulation on Linux, 2019 edition (revision 3)
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tl;dr: you can play videogames, but frankly speaking, your options suck. Stick to Redream if you can, otherwise go and buy a real DC and mod it with a GDEMU or something.

Despite being a Sega console fan at heart, I never had that much interest into anything past the 32X. Certainly not on the Saturn, that's for sure. But the Dreamcast... well, there is this Puyo Puyo~n game I've played on other platforms (mostly on -of all things- the N64!). Last time I tried to play it, I was still running the long-past-expiry-date Fedora Core 6, where I built lxdream. Suffice to say, I never went past the DC BIOS menu. Not long after that I made the jump to Debian where the experience was... more or same the less - no DC for me!

Anyway, fast forward to today, where after migrating all my Debian emuboxes to Stretch, I discovered that my lxdream binary would not run anymore due to a missing libpng12.so (which doesn't exist anymore on Stretch, being replaced by a much newer version). So here we go:

- lxdream: Last release was almost a decade ago, and it won't work as is on modern distros (existing binaries do depend on the long-gone libpng12, for one). Building from source doesn't help as it relies on GLib header files that you're not supposed to directly use anymore. And even if you manage to get past those hurdles, your sketchy .cdi rips (like the one I have for Puyo Puyo~n) will not run as .cdi is a terrible, TERRIBLE format which is hardly compatible with anything. There are fixes for all that on the Mercurial source repository, but don't bother: recent GCC versions (if you could call GCC 6 "recent-ish") will cause the build to segfault at a very early stage. If you really persist (say, you kept your old GCC versions from older Debian versions), you will get a working binary... that will segfault as soon as the game tries to boot. Bummer :/

- Reicast: A spiritual successor (?) of NullDC (a former Windows-only DC emulator) mainly aimed at cellphones. It seems that anything that is not a cellphone is a second/third class citizen for them. Its user guide SUCKS as it assumes you're using a cellphone (hint: I am not!). Building from source is surprisingly easy: just install a few Mesa headers and off you go! Too bad all you will get is an emulator that crashes at boot with this X11 error:
X Error of failed request:  GLXBadFBConfig
Major opcode of failed request: 155 (GLX)
Minor opcode of failed request: 34 ()
Serial number of failed request: 35
Current serial number in output stream: 34

Meh. NEXT!

- Redream: Don't get fooled by that .io domain: this emulator is not open source! (although it used to be until not long ago) If you want "high definition rendering" (whatever that means), you have to pay $5 for a lifetime license key. Otherwise, the emulator is free to use - no ads, no mandatory Internet connection (except for downloading cover art), no spyware, just you, your games... and an UI that looks kinda out of place for a PC-based emulator. Client-side decorations? Yuck! Cover library view? Useful for a lot of you guys out there, but annoying for me (and there is no option to switch to a list view or something!). Very blurry fonts? Check! And for some reason, while the DC was strictly a 4:3 affair, Redream insists that the best way to live the dream is with hideous pillarboxing, with no option to turn it off (what if you still own one of the last 4:3/5:4 DVI flat panel displays ever made?) unless if you drop the resolution all the way down to 640x480 (!!!). What the hell is this, broadcast TV!? But if we go strictly to business, it plays my sketchy .cdi rip of Puyo Puyo~n flawlessly, in fact, this is the only way I can run DC games on my Linux boxes. At a 2.0MB download, this self-contained binary (no plugins required, even the BIOS dump is optional!) is a solid option for all your DC needs if you don't mind the obvious downsides (being a proprietary blob, "unique" UI). A good GPU is strongly recommended, but I had no trouble using my lowly Sandy Bridge HD3000 IGP, and performance is solid 60FPS all the way. But then... it's Puyo Puyo, not exactly the most demanding game ever made :P

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Posted on 19-04-07, 22:08 in Post websites you can't believe are still online, v2.0 (revision 1)
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Planet Emulation is still around, serving classic RAWMz behind their "antileech" system (one-time use links, etc.)

But hey, no obnoxious/intrusive/spyware-laden ads! In fact the only ads they have are for some guy selling mini-arcades, and the link doesn't even redirect to a website, but to a email address. They also do not serve ROMs for Nintendo systems except for the NES and SNES, or for any system released (and discontinued) in this century AT ALL. How '90s, yo.

Also, this one: http://toastytech.com/
His anti-MS rants are amusing, but I guess he lost all hope in GUIs after the Post-PC Era™ hit.
The GUI gallery on his site is a must-visit for anyone that actually cares about developing software that isn't a eyesore for users looking to be productive.

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Posted on 19-04-09, 19:04 in State of the Dreamcast emulation on Linux, 2019 edition (revision 1)
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Posted by hunterk
reicast-libretro seems to work pretty well. It had quite a few improvements vs standalone, though I believe they either recently were or soon will be merged into upstream master, as well. Were you using a stable release or building from latest git?

I built from git-latest. I'll try building from a stable release, but still, I don't really like their lack of documentation, and their "mobile first, everything else as an afterthought" focus.

Posted by sureanem
It's a bit barbaric, but you can just download libpng12.so.0 and load it with LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Seems to work fine on my machine, tested it with Crazy Taxi and it did boot, although I didn't have any controllers configured so couldn't test any further.

I actually did that (fortunately libpng12 .DEB from Jessie can be safely installed on Stretch without breaking anything), but my particular .cdi rip isn't accepted by the emulator. If you build from hg-trunk you do get improved compatibility with said rips (among other highly-needed compatibility fixes), but then modern GCC versions will send you to Crash Canyon (something similar happens with Mac emulators Basilisk II/SheepShaver, where anything beyond GCC 4.4 is unusable)

...fuck, I'll try to look for a *proper* .GDI rip of Puyo Puyo~n...

Posted by sureanem
On the same note, while it's a bit ugly, you should be able to set up a VM of Debian Jessie, make a static or even freestanding build, and then be good to go everywhere without any dependencies other than Linux ABI. Glibc doesn't like static linking, so you might have to use the forbidden technique of unity builds.

Gotta love your non-solutions for problems I'm actively looking to avoid!

Posted by wertigon
Did a quick search for open source Dreamcast objects, came across washington-DC.

https://github.com/washingtondc-emu/washingtondc

It seems like the emulator to support if you care about Linux support and Open Source. Still in early development too. But yeah, only supports like 3 games at the moment...

Like the 1997esque homepage :D

The reason it doesn't run many game is, unsurprisingly, missing AICA emulation. Looks like there has been some recent progress, and a new emulator is always very welcome! Thanks for the link

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Found a proper .GDI dump for Puyo Puyo~n at the Archive (there is a Dreamcast Ultimate Archive collection based off TOSEC .GDI, which seems to be exactly what it says at the tin, but it's hosted at Google Drive, and their UXtarded Silly Valley Javashit junk locks up my Seamonkey with all cores pegged to the max. HARD - for whatever reason JDownloader failed to enumerate the contents of the share)), tried it with lxdream stable... and it refused to do anything.

Like, no error messages, no crashes, no nada. The emulator happily boots to the DC BIOS menu and that's all, it pretends I didn't loaded anything at all.

Said rip works like a charm with Redream, and I got rid of my crappy .cdi rip, which I learned it had downsampled audio/video, AKA junk for people on real hardware prior to the introduction of GDEMU.

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Posted on 19-04-11, 10:59 in Computer Technology News/Discussion (revision 1)
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HAHAHAHAHA Microsoft, please, STOP TRYING!

In other news, support for the last surviving branch of Windows XP (POSReady 2009) just ended two days ago.

If your bank still runs that thing on their ATMs or your nearest supermarket PoS terminals are still up with POSReady 2009... well, who am I lying?! Most likely they're still running vanilla XP SP2 so nothing will change, your personal information is already compromised in half of the countries of the world, big data breaches are the new normal, blah blah blah.

The remarkable bit of all this is that people were using a registry hack to force-install POSReady patches into vanilla XP (with "reasonable" results - I don't know as I never tried), but that road finally hit a brick wall.

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Posted on 19-04-11, 18:29 in Computer Technology News/Discussion
Dinosaur

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Posted by sureanem
Cherish your legacy software while you still have it.


Or, you know, run Linux and Open Source.

Or, you know, do NOT use any of those DRM-encumbered services.
I prefer to live in the void, without access to any kind of information rather than be forced to navigate a insecurity theater where I'm considered a delinquent before even entering the premises (just like most brick-and-mortar shops do in real life over here). Fuck Netflix, fuck YouTube, fuck Hollywood, fuck Google, and while we're at there, fuck Mozilla too.

That sounds like the people that try their hardest to force me to move to a smartphone. Both of my RAZRs just broke within days apart one from each other, so I guess I'll move to a $10 2G PoS (if I ever could afford it), because at least said $10 PoS can only do two things, and do it well: calls AND texts. Fuck WhatsApp, it's a real shame that people have come to rely on that proprietary Farcebook garbage to supplement our failed phone networks :/ Pick your poison: communism or savage capitalism.


Posted by wertigon
The more I learn where proprietary software is headed, the more i realize Stallman was right on the money all along.

There are today open source applications as good as or even better than professional versions for content creation. Apps like Krita or Audacious.

So, if they ever try it... No in fact I dare them to try it. :)


Too bad Stallman is a loon that I can't take it seriously. The guy has some good points, cold hard facts on privacy/surveillance/etc... but for each truth he says, he came up with a pile of politics/technophobe BS I can't stand, and therefore I tend to ignore him and instead I analyze stuff on my own.

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Posted on 19-04-12, 13:36 in I have yet to have never seen it all. (revision 2)
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This is a pretty good (as in "not tasteless" and "anyone can get into it") April Fools special, and it involves two good favorites of everybody: civil airplanes AND soviets!

https://airwaysmag.com/industry/the-il-496-or-is-it-il-96-400m-what-does-it-mean/

You can even interpret the article as "half-joking", if you will.

Speaking about unlovely Soviet/Russian airplanes you're unlikely to board in your lifetime, if you're THAT bored of the Airbus/Boeing duopoly (or its equivalent at the lower end, Bombardier/Embraer... which thanks to recent business transactions is effectively becoming Airbus/Boeing!), here are your chances to ride one of those weird and wonderful fat Soviet birds:

1) Move to Russia (or any former Soviet republic). Aeroflot and friends will keep flying those native birds until they rust down to the bone (or at least for as long as jet fuel is cheaper than buying Western aircraft)

2) Visit Cuba on their flag airline, Cubana. This guarantees you a ride on a newish Il-96-300 at the very least (apparently the Antonovs are no longer flying). But be careful: it seems Cubana is now leasing western aircraft too!

3) If you're at 'murica, just fly Interjet down south of the border: you can ride the hottest and newest Russian bird, the Sukhoi Super Jet 100. But hurry up: the airline is about to dump their entire SSJ100 fleet due to shortages of spare parts because those half-French PowerJet engines can't stop breaking (mind you: this is not exclusive to Interjet, as even Soviet airlines are having a hard time with those fragile engines too). I can only guess that Sukhoi salesdroids laced that vodka with some strong stuff just to sweeten the deal for those Mexicans, which are now massively bleeding pesos over that huge mistake.

4) For the ultimate go-around Soviet bird enthusiast experience, Best Korea got you covered: for a modest amount of hard currency (cheaper than mining buttcoins!) you can get the ride of your lifetime, flying on the entire Air Koryo fleet! From flying on the last active commercial Il-62 in the world (you know, the one with the four engines mounted at the rear of the plane because they copied this really weird idea from the British VC10), to modern Tu-204s (you will enter and leave the country on one of those) and An-148s, and even in military helicopters straight from the Cold War age! All this while you pay your eternal respects to the Dear Leader, of course! One word of warning: please leave the iDevices and GoPros at home, if you value your life. Journalists and citizens from the wrong Korea need not apply. But for the Antonov/Ilyushin/Tupolev fan at heart, this is a chance you should not miss (and in fact, there are frequent repeat flyers on the tours). And dying at Best Korea certainly beats dying on a 737 MAX any day of the week :P

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Posted on 19-04-12, 13:58 in Computer Technology News/Discussion
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Time to quit computers for good then.

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Posted on 19-04-12, 19:59 in Computer Technology News/Discussion
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Posted by wertigon
Regarding Saki - Why not simply bite the bullet and pay the $50 for something like this?

http://www.banana-pi.org/r1.html

The minimum wage in Venezuela is around $6.70/month.

Actually, about $5 at the current exchange rates (or less at the black market rates).

Plus with the ongoing hyperinflation, your $50 ARM stick will easily cost over $150 here after going through all the greedy middlemen. Yay greed~!

Fun fact: there is no vintage computing scene over here. A look through MercadoLibre listings for old motherboards and RAMs stop just at the beginnings of Socket 478. Socket 370? A couple of SiS-based PCCHIPS turds. Socket 7? *crickets*. And some moron selling a Socket 3 mobo with fake cache for like $15. No rare 30-pin SIMMs or 32MB EDO sticks, no MSDOS dream rigs, not even ISA cards of any kind (except maybe for the occasional noname sound card or motherboard tester) :/

Anyway, I replaced the CPU: an underclocked Pentium MMX 233 for a slightly overclocked 200 part (75Mhz bus x 3.0 = 225MHz; none of those will run stable at 262.5MHz with the 3.5 multiplier) which I had used with this very system for like 5 years before swapping with with the underclocked part. The weird GRUB reboots / kernel oopses/panics seem to be gone. Now I've got another problem: the RTC drifts too much when the system is shut down, and for making things more interesting, this one of the very few PCCHIPS crud that actually uses a RTC module (originally a Houston Tech brick o' doom, but I'm running a legit DS12887A on mine), so looks like I'll have to rework it Soon™, just like the one on my 386.

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Posted on 19-04-12, 20:39 in Computer Technology News/Discussion
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Now I've got another problem: the RTC drifts too much when the system is shut down, and for making things more interesting, this one of the very few PCCHIPS crud that actually uses a RTC module (originally a Houston Tech brick o' doom, but I'm running a legit DS12887A on mine), so looks like I'll have to rework it Soon™, just like the one on my 386.

Why not just use NTP? Do you need accurate time while booting for anything?

I do actually run openntpd as a service.

Sadly I can't rely too much on it, as my DSL is often down for OBVIOUS REASONS.

Also a dying RTC battery is not good at all, considering it also saves your CMOS settings!

Posted by creaothceann
Posted by tomman
Anyway, I replaced the CPU: an underclocked Pentium MMX 233 for a slightly overclocked 200 part (75Mhz bus x 3.0 = 225MHz; none of those will run stable at 262.5MHz with the 3.5 multiplier) which I had used with this very system for like 5 years before swapping with with the underclocked part.

Is that even enough for ZSNES?

My DOS box of dreams is not a 586. Not even a 486, but a plain 386 :)

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Posted on 19-04-12, 20:41 in Board feature requests/suggestions
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BUTBUTBUT muh privacy!!!!

Now that we're talking about privacy threats, where are MUH GDPR/COOKIE NOTIFICATIONS?!

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Dude, your Troo UNIX® Way™ sysadmin graybeard is showing.

Also, fuck static linking too. That only works if you're releasing proprietary blobs, or if you don't intend to update your software EVER. I grant you the "I want a stable API, god damn it!" part, but for the FOSS crowd, everything has been a moving target since forever. And it's now true for proprietary software too (hello, Windows).

> Apparently, these issues solved themselves with a reboot. Updates are still annoying though, even if it's not as bad as Arch yet.

Man, do you even reboot more frequently? Every time I do a dist-upgrade that touches delicate/fragile bits (kernel, systemd, libc), things will act weird until the next reboot. You may not be able to reboot initially, except via the Magic SysRq combo (it occasionally happens to me). But after a couple reboots, everything is kosher again. Same applies to Windows because Windows Update is a piece of complete rubbish

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Posted on 19-04-14, 13:09 in Dear modern UXtards...
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Slashdot infoboxes scrolling break if you adblock, making impossible to participate in polls from the front page.

They use some jQuery fuckery to set "position:fixed" or something on that container DIV if some ad DIVs can't be found, tied to the onscroll event. Dealing with that from the developer tools is a PITA because jQuery (and because I refuse to install more browser addons like Greasemonkey). Therefore I no longer participate in polls.

WHAT THE FUCK, VA Software Dice BIZX!?!

But hey, this is not as evil as the whole #FuckBeta fiasco.

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Posted on 19-04-14, 16:22 in Dear modern UXtards...
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Posted by sureanem
>Slashdot infoboxes scrolling break if you adblock, making impossible to participate in polls from the front page.

Works fine on my machine. What ad blocker and lists are you using?

This, to generate a custom BIND RPZ zone file for my routerbox. The used blocklists are detailed on the README (additional suggestions welcome!)

Posted by creaothceann
Posted by tomman
I refuse to install more browser addons like Greasemonkey

?

What I meant to say: I refuse to install browser addons, period.

Ad blocking should be done at the NETWORK level, communism-style. I have several devices at home, most of them running multiple OS, some of them that I don't manage, so maintaining an adblocking solution that requires client setup is not something I'm willing to do. I get that adblockers, script blockers and user scripts do allow more fine grained control for those pests, but once again, life is too short for spend your time meddling with web browsers and addons.

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Posted on 19-04-14, 23:11 in Dear modern UXtards...
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I. Am. Not. Going. To. Install. Browser. Addons.

End of story.

I'm also not interested into those idealist hardcore nerd "read only computer" model. I'm happy with my current setup, and would change nothing of it.

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Posted on 19-04-14, 23:36 in I have yet to have never seen it all.
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Cisco hooked up fifty cows with 5G radios because... what?!

https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/19/04/14/0150257/fifty-connected-cows-already-have-5g

Guys, the milk is spoiled. It's not even good for making cheese.

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